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PvP Server => Ban/Punishment-Related => Topic started by: Jimmyziga on March 01, 2014, 01:50:47 pm

Title: edders1234
Post by: Jimmyziga on March 01, 2014, 01:50:47 pm
Well... this all started in a fight between edders and LFClairf/jibbyfunk about edders is the best pvper and challenging to fight about PVPing and crap... after a while I said edders, want to fight for fun and he said ok so I asked him if AFTER THE FIGHT... WE WOULD GIVE OUR STUFF BACK and he said "of course" after the fight I asked for my stuff and he said "It's not illegal to keep the stuff" It might not be illegal to keep the stuff but it is illegal to keep the stuff after you agreed to give the stuff after a fight I'm pretty sure if he lost and I didn't give his stuff back he would have done the same thing e.e
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: jibbyfunk on March 01, 2014, 01:56:25 pm
That's scamming isn't it? I'm pretty sure that is infact against the rules but I don't see a written one on the server. May have just not read them well when I checked. I know scamming is illegal on pixelmon.
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: edders1234 on March 01, 2014, 02:07:46 pm
Pretty legal, jimmy remember this? http://www.pokemonserver.net/forum/index.php?topic=4768.0 (http://www.pokemonserver.net/forum/index.php?topic=4768.0)
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: edders1234 on March 01, 2014, 02:16:50 pm
Lol, anyway I am not giving your stuff back.
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: tymac on March 01, 2014, 02:20:31 pm
I don't think this is scamming. If you fought this "tourney" in a gym arena, that is illegal. If you guys fought it in the Tourney Arena found in the rivals' house, anyone can take stuff and not give it back. Evidence: Click This (http://www.pokemonserver.net/forum/index.php?topic=3988)
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: edders1234 on March 01, 2014, 02:21:34 pm
Cheers Tymac ;)
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: tymac on March 01, 2014, 02:28:59 pm
This took place in the tourney arena. Not a gym battle. Jim previously tried to challenge edders to a gym battle even though he had the badge.
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: Lucasrx on March 01, 2014, 02:31:21 pm
I don't think this is scamming. If you fought this "tourney" in a gym arena, that is illegal. If you guys fought it in the Tourney Arena found in the rivals' house, anyone can take stuff and not give it back. Evidence: Click This ([url]http://www.pokemonserver.net/forum/index.php?topic=3988[/url])



But, They did agree on stuff back so, it's bad to go against your word to.
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: Lucasrx on March 01, 2014, 02:32:07 pm



This took place in the tourney arena. Not a gym battle. Jim previously tried to challenge edders to a gym battle even though he had the badge.


Yes sorry, I was just informed about that.
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: rockittt on March 01, 2014, 02:37:44 pm
He's edders
he's edders

taking all the loot
and killin em all

he's edders
he's edders

Axeing people questions, and not giving back

he's edders hes edders

giggity giggity giggity giggity lets have sex! :)
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: tymac on March 01, 2014, 02:39:14 pm
Just wait until an admin decides their fates. Our opinions don't count.
I see that this is a two sided situation. It was a PVP area, and that is definatly not illegal to fight in there. If someone decides not to give stuff back, they aren't forced to. But if both parties agreed to giving items back, there might be a problem.
This is exactly why I don't fight any more with valuables anymore. If I want to fight in the tourney arena, I just use unarmed with no armour.
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: Lucasrx on March 01, 2014, 02:43:30 pm
Don't think admins read our opinions they sometimes take it to heart.
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: Sweaty on March 01, 2014, 02:46:43 pm
He never said anything about a gym fight. This was a fun fight. And fun fights aren't organized battles like gym battles. We have or had an announcement that sated "be careful who you trust if they don't have the gym leader tag." This probably was pointing to this. Yeah you can fun fight someone, just remember there are no rules when you do.
- scamming is illegal
- From the thread Lucas linked.
I'm not sure if this is scamming or not. Well for one, you don't have a screenshot to show him agreeing to return your items. Because scamming is tricking someone into an item/ service and get something in return from it. Sure edders took your items, but do we really know if he agreed to return them?
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: Sweaty on March 01, 2014, 02:48:06 pm
About that fun fight gym fight thing i said, ignore it. It took me like 40 minutes to type that shit out. stupid computer :'I
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: Daanor on March 01, 2014, 02:56:11 pm
If you both made the agreement beforehand to return items, then that agreement should be kept. It's one thing to keep spoils won in pvp, but not if you are doing it a way that is dishonest and deceptive.



- scamming is illegal
Quote from: Google
Scam-a dishonest scheme; a fraud.
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: edders1234 on March 01, 2014, 02:56:25 pm
To be honest it really doesn't bother me that it "Might be" illegal or not
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: tymac on March 01, 2014, 02:56:40 pm
He never said anything about a gym fight. This was a fun fight. And fun fights aren't organized battles like gym battles. We have or had an announcement that sated "be careful who you trust if they don't have the gym leader tag." This probably was pointing to this. Yeah you can fun fight someone, just remember there are no rules when you do. - From the thread Lucas linked.
I'm not sure if this is scamming or not. Well for one, you don't have a screenshot to show him agreeing to return your items. Because scamming is tricking someone into an item/ service and get something in return from it. Sure edders took your items, but do we really know if he agreed to return them?


Jim did post a screenshot of edders agreeing to fight with stuff back.


Ok I'm going to try to stop putting my opinion into this. In the end, my voice doesn't matter. Only mods and admins.




I feel the easy way to end this conflict is for edders to give Jim's stuff back.


Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: Lucasrx on March 01, 2014, 02:58:11 pm
To be honest it really doesn't bother me that it "Might be" illegal or not


But, It's good to be a nice person!
-Canadian Words of Wisdom
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: SnowBreak on March 01, 2014, 02:59:35 pm
Its not scamming unless he paid for the fight... also learn how to NOT write run on sentences, this thread hurt my brain. :roll:
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: Sweaty on March 01, 2014, 03:19:46 pm
Its not scamming unless he paid for the fight... also learn how to NOT write run on sentences, this thread hurt my brain. :roll:

Scamming Isn't pertinent of just money, it includes services as well. If someone says "I'll clean your car for free, all you need to leave is your keys and vehicle, then they steal it." Is that or is that not scamming?
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: Lucasrx on March 01, 2014, 03:23:30 pm

Scamming Isn't pertinent of just money, it includes services as well. If someone says "I'll clean your car for free, all you need to leave is your keys and vehicle, then they steal it." Is that or is that not scamming?


But in reality they'd find you and charge you.
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: edders1234 on March 01, 2014, 03:29:55 pm
 :grouphug:  Group hug for people who support me.


 :cry:  Jimmyziga
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: Sweaty on March 01, 2014, 03:46:17 pm

But in reality they'd find you and charge you.
It was an example .-.
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: Lucasrx on March 01, 2014, 04:35:08 pm
It was an example .-.


I know.


Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: jibbyfunk on March 01, 2014, 04:44:22 pm

But, It's good to be a nice person!
-Canadian Words of Wisdom


Just saying, I like Canadians! ;)
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: 1cec0ld on March 01, 2014, 05:12:50 pm
To be honest it really doesn't bother me that it "Might be" illegal or not

To be honest, it should bother you if what you do is illegal or not, unless you don't honestly care about being on the server. To be honest, I think your attitude suggests you shouldn't play here. To be honest, you should change what bothers you if you want to keep playing here.

:grouphug:  Group hug for people who support me.


 :cry:  Jimmyziga

If that group hug doesn't include people in power, you're still alone.
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: Lucasrx on March 01, 2014, 08:31:05 pm

Just saying, I like Canadians! ;)


You're a good man Jibby.
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: jibbyfunk on March 01, 2014, 08:49:15 pm
Thank you sir.
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: AxZeroCrypt on March 01, 2014, 11:53:46 pm
Please respond the questions? :/
Well maybe they aren't online?
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: Frozen_Money on March 02, 2014, 12:00:38 am
Edders isent the best fighter on the server ._.
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: Frozen_Money on March 02, 2014, 12:01:53 am
Lucass is no Canadian he is a big fat weenie
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: Frozen_Money on March 02, 2014, 01:47:37 am
Jimmy what did you have on you
and stop crying some thing so kidish
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: AxZeroCrypt on March 02, 2014, 03:11:41 am
I just hate the fact that If I do it... I get punished (and obligated to give stuff back) but if edders does it... he always gets away with it -_- wtf? are the admins doing a deal with edders that if he kills me they will reward him or something??? and Frozen if you don't want to see me, then why don't you leave my posts next time ok?
Not everything is fair
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: jibbyfunk on March 02, 2014, 08:48:33 am
About Edders' punishment, I don't think it will really affect him. He told me he was leaving the server for a while, last night. As for the items, I highly doubt you will get them back, especially since Edders wont be around to give them back.
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: Lucasrx on March 02, 2014, 09:42:13 am
Lucass is no Canadian he is a big fat weenie


You're just jealous Son.
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: jibbyfunk on March 02, 2014, 11:11:47 am
Seriously, be more patient. Our admins have lives and can't sit on these forums all day every day.
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: Miosio on March 02, 2014, 01:32:32 pm
IMO it was scamming and I agreed with 1ces post that edders should care if what he does is illegal or not on the server. Its kinda like going "I dont know if x-raying is illegal but ill do it anyways because i dont give a fuck" If you have that kinda attitude then I'm guessing you dont care about getting banned or lets say, giving the stuff back? I cant make a decision on my own over this but id we are voting I would say to give the stuff back. I'm not sure about punishment because he really could have though it was legal, but edders attitude is making me lean towards a yes.

I'll see if i can talk to the other admins to see what will happen. Be patient.
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: Daanor on March 02, 2014, 02:35:37 pm
I just hate the fact that If I do it... I get punished (and obligated to give stuff back) but if edders does it... he always gets away with it -_- wtf?


Several admins have already posted in favor of your position, why are you accusing us of favoritism?


An admin please?
 


Have you reached out to edders at all since the admin responses on this thread? You can show him our responses, and he can see that he should return the items of yours that he kept. If he refuses, then of course we will step in. But you shouldn't have to call on us to hold your hand for every step of trying to resolve an issue.
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: Sweaty on March 04, 2014, 08:02:03 pm
Jimmy posted 16 out of the 52 posts in this thread -_-
Title: Re: edders1234
Post by: jibbyfunk on March 05, 2014, 02:52:14 pm
Better make it 17.