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Community Related => General Discussion => Debates => Topic started by: Sahaquiel_9 on November 17, 2013, 08:48:43 pm
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I want to know about the server member's opinions of drugs (everything: weed, shrooms, acid, heroin, crack, meth, etc.). Good, bad, or in between? Do you hate the very thought of drugs? Are you fine with all drugs? Have you tried weed or anything like it?
In my opinion, some things should be legalized but others shouldn't be. For example, shrooms and weed have medicinal effects. Shrooms can reduce migraine headaches. Weed can reduce symptoms of Multiple Sclerosis, it can almost completely reduce the symptoms of extreme epilepsy (read the story on the Charlotte's Web strain), and it can do many other things. It is much less cancerous than cigarettes (cannabis has no known carcinogens when vaporized; smoke still contains CO), it makes people calm and stuff, and people typically don't commit crimes while high.
On the other hand, things like heroin, morphine, crack, meth, PCP, etc. tend to be the opposite. They can kill you, they have extremely high tolerance levels, they are extremely addictive, and it is fairly easy to overdose on them (THC on the other hand, the main psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, needs to be consumed to more than an adult's body weight before it reaches lethal levels). There is a clear line to draw with "drugs" and drugs, then.
If certain things are legalized, organized crime rates go down. Think about prohibition. During that time, there were speak-easys in almost every city and organized crime such as Al Capone ruled the black market. Crime was at an all-time high because of this. In Amsterdam, by percentage, there are almost half as many cannabis users. Also, the hard drug crime rate has gone down and stagnated. The price of it has also gone down. There is a benefit to legalizing the soft drugs then.
I wanna hear your opinions about this.
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I ate a blade of grass once.
I see no issue with recreational drug use, or medicinal, but when it becomes an addiction thats where the line should be drawn.
They should also be given some sort of safety grading or whatever. If you've never heard of Krokodil I suggest you take a look.
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I have heard of it. That's when not even the addiction becomes a problem, but the swift death does. That's how most hard drugs are (hard doesn't have to do with addictiveness; it means that it has been chemically altered). The only okay hard drug is acid because it is relatively harmless unless taken in huge doses.
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Bumped. Anyways, don't just vote. Comment on why you voted and state your opinion about it.
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Drugs are just stupid. The only reason some people use them is for the fun of it or cause they are stupid :-\ Drugs, in my opinion, have no real use. Weed, crack, all those kinds, don't make any sense. I would keep drugs that have to do with health (you know the ones that help you XD) but the drugs that hurt you make no sense and they shouldn't be allowed. That was my opinion. Thank you
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I miss the drugs plugin we had on the server. It increased my sugar cane sales exponentially.
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Drugs are just stupid. The only reason some people use them is for the fun of it or cause they are stupid :-\ Drugs, in my opinion, have no real use. Weed, crack, all those kinds, don't make any sense. I would keep drugs that have to do with health (you know the ones that help you XD) but the drugs that hurt you make no sense and they shouldn't be allowed. That was my opinion. Thank you
Have you heard of medical marijuana (I really hate that word, I'll just use cannabis from now on)? Weed doesn't even hurt you too much. It just gets you high. The only thing that would truly be bad is if you ate too much or had a panic attack. The only real danger about it is inhaling burning plant matter; anything that goes into your lungs that's not regular air is bad. Not even acid, molly, or shrooms are bad. In fact, acid, molly, and shrooms are beneficial to many people. Acid helps people cope with pain and depression in peoples' lives, molly helps people deal with PTSD, and shrooms are introspective. I'm living proof that not everything is dangerous. I got stoned as fuck last night and I'm still breathing and I'm as sane as I was a few nights ago. I'd draw the line when it will kill you eventually, it is addictive, or it will hurt someone else. That means heroin, ketamine, PCP, cocaine, crack, meth, scopolamine (read about it), alcohol (you can overdose on alcohol, it's addictive, and its withdrawal kills), and many other things.
Even if you do have that "drugs are bad, mmmmkay?" mentality, you should agree that a plant that has a medicinal use (weed) shouldn't be on Schedule 1 (a schedule for substances with no medicinal value). The only thing that's keeping cannabis on that list is pro-tobacco companies and pharmaceutical companies because they don't want to lose business because people decide to grow their own medicine.
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I don't think that's the only reason.
Some argument or persuasion is causing "traditional" people to feel like there should be no change.
Some people believe that the only "good" person is the person who doesn't have an addled mind. (Yes, they include alcohol in addled)
A lot of the people who are against legalizing anything are simply afraid of it, as I was once afraid of who I would become if I ever got drunk.
In order to give power to harmless things, you have to remove peoples fear of it. But then, how do we do that if we can't expose them to it?
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Drugs are bad mkay?
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Drugs, legal or not, will still be used, no matter what.
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Guess what I got today! I'm getting morning glory seeds so I can extract LSA, or lysergic acid amide from them and trip! Don't mistake me, I'm not just doing it to have fun or for the "lulz" but I'm doing it so I can have a long, hard look at all my traits, what makes me me, and what my life is. I'm doing it as a form of psychotherapy.
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despite how I may come across I am completely anti-drug and some what anti-alchol (mainly do to addictions within my family)
they may be fun and can not harm some it still will do bad to society
what may be one fun night to a couple of 20 year olds
will be the end to some regular persons
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despite how I may come across I am completely anti-drug and some what anti-alchol (mainly do to addictions within my family)
they may be fun and can not harm some it still will do bad to society
what may be one fun night to a couple of 20 year olds
will be the end to some regular persons
Although I see where you're coming from, drugs can be powerful therapeutic tools when used correctly. A hallucinogenic alkaloid called ibogaine can help treat opiate addiction. LSD helps with alcoholism and helps terminally ill patients come to terms with death and accept it without the immense depression. Psilocybin (the tryptamine alkaloid related to DMT) can cure cluster headaches, which can be described as a pain worse than death, akin to the Cruciatus curse. Opioids, of course, relieve pain and are anti-diarrheal. MDMA (ecstasy) can potentially help people with severe PTSD. Hell, even meth helps with ADHD. And you've seen the effects of medical cannabis. It helps with multiple sclerosis, dementia, it's the most effective nonaddictive painkiller, it's antioxidant (helps prevent certain cancers), stimulates growth and increased neural connections in the brain, and many of these things are on Schedule 1 of the US Controlled Substances Act, which means that these compounds that have plenty of proven medical uses aren't accepted as medicine simply because pharmaceutical lobbyists want to make money making new drugs with tons of side effects.
Put simply, these substances are useful and many (except the really bad ones) should be available for people to use. People are going to buy drugs anyways, and why make all of the money go into the black market into the hands of drug lords and hardened criminals? It should be taxed and regulated just like anything else. Colorado proved that this works with cannabis earlier this year. The first week cannabis was available for sale legally, the government made over $5 million off of taxes from cannabis alone and much of that money went to schools.
I believe that instead of the "lock up the drug users although many are harmless," we should have a rehabilitation and harm reduction plan instead. Instead of forcing opiate users to go through withdrawal in jail, we should try to restore them to an opiate-free life through methadone replacement therapy.
Ps, by your logic, caffeine and nicotine should be banned too because they're psychoactive.
pps, I'm not trying to insult anyone here, just trying to prove my point that is pro-legalization of anything that is not habit-forming and pro-harm reduction instead of filling our already overfilled privatized for-profit prison systems.
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If anyone needs some Drugs, my town has so many drug dealers just come to Granite City IL. ^ -^
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Guess what I got today! I'm getting morning glory seeds so I can extract LSA, or lysergic acid amide from them and trip! Don't mistake me, I'm not just doing it to have fun or for the "lulz" but I'm doing it so I can have a long, hard look at all my traits, what makes me me, and what my life is. I'm doing it as a form of psychotherapy.
twss :3
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Trust me, when it's weird when your school hallways DON'T smell like weed, you know you're in South Carolina.
and this:
Pink Floyd - Breathe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrojrDCI02k#)
is the best when your brain is chemically altered by cannabinoids.
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If anyone needs some Drugs, my town has so many drug dealers just come to Granite City IL. ^ -^
In my town their are some meth houses in chimney hills (Dewitt Michigan :D)
ps. now I'm mad because because of Michigans stupid weather my school year just got extended a week cause it went over the legal limit of snow days so 19 weeks 3 days 6 hours and 12 mins till I move to florida!
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In my town their are some meth houses in chimney hills (Dewitt Michigan :D )
ps. now I'm mad because because of Michigans stupid weather my school year just got extended a week cause it went over the legal limit of snow days so 19 weeks 3 days 6 hours and 12 mins till I move to florida!
In SC, we [thankfully] have no meth houses, nor meth addicts. We do have crack, unfortunately. My [ex]friend tried crack once. Basically, his logic is that trying crack is fine, but LSD will "melt your mind" and "turn it to mush" and he's pretty crazy and egotistical so I don't really hang out with him anymore. Basically, I will experiment in my life. Who doesn't? I do keep myself straight by making a do-not-try list. Basically, I will never try: opioids, cocaine or any derivatives, amphetamines or any derivatives (that includes adderall), benzos, and some powerful dissociatives like PCP.
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In SC, we [thankfully] have no meth houses, nor meth addicts. We do have crack, unfortunately. My [ex]friend tried crack once. Basically, his logic is that trying crack is fine, but LSD will "melt your mind" and "turn it to mush" and he's pretty crazy and egotistical so I don't really hang out with him anymore. Basically, I will experiment in my life. Who doesn't? I do keep myself straight by making a do-not-try list. Basically, I will never try: opioids, cocaine or any derivatives, amphetamines or any derivatives (that includes adderall), benzos, and some powerful dissociatives like PCP.
I use to have a friend named blain but when he started smoking weed I disowned him
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I use to have a friend named blain but when he started smoking weed I disowned him
so you completely broke all contact of him because he likes a nonaddictive plant that makes you giggly and hungry? Or are you joking and I took you way to seriously?
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so you completely broke all contact of him because he likes a nonaddictive plant that makes you giggly and hungry? Or are you joking and I took you way to seriously?
no I am not I refuse to be near any drugs ever even if it is none addict icing it is a gate way drug AND illegal smoking weed will never out come in good
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The gateway theory has been disproven time and time again. And yes, it is illegal, but so is operating a lemonade stand without getting inspected by the health inspector, without the proper licenses, etc, etc. So is driving at 14, but people do that to prepare for driving. THC, CBD, and other cannabinoids are not even REMOTELY related to alkaloids like cocaine, morphine, etc. so it can't be a gateway drug. However, people that smoke cigarettes are more likely to get addicted to cocaine. Is that a valid reason to ban tobacco?
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The gateway theory has been disproven time and time again. And yes, it is illegal, but so is operating a lemonade stand without getting inspected by the health inspector, without the proper licenses, etc, etc. So is driving at 14, but people do that to prepare for driving. THC, CBD, and other cannabinoids are not even REMOTELY related to alkaloids like cocaine, morphine, etc. so it can't be a gateway drug. However, people that smoke cigarettes are more likely to get addicted to cocaine. Is that a valid reason to ban tobacco?
I would ban tobacco in an instant if I could Saha both my parents are addicted and have had several family members die from tobacco the thing with tobacco is that they are paying off positions and the government most of our tax dollars come from tobacco and alcohol no politician would ever ban tobacco because they are paying the politicians not to
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I would ban tobacco in an instant if I could Saha both my parents are addicted and have had several family members die from tobacco the thing with tobacco is that they are paying off positions and the government most of our tax dollars come from tobacco and alcohol no politician would ever ban tobacco because they are paying the politicians not to
First of all, tell your parents to get a high quality ecig and some ecig juice with nicotine in it. With ecig juice, you can slowly lower the nicotine levels until you have none at all in the juice.
Second of all, cannabis is much healthier. It's a neuroprotectant, it has medical uses, and the plant is a more reliable and eco-friendly source of paper, plastic, rope, etc. In fact, cannabis is mentioned in the bible (it's called kanneh bosm, or fragrant cane in the NIV). The word canvas evolved from cannabis. Did you know that growing cotton uses about 50% of all of the nation's pesticides every year? With cannabis, it naturally keeps pests away, its root system breaks up chunky soil, and it grows to maturity extremely quickly. If it is legalized, the economy will explode and it would put an end to the recession.
Also, read this story about a young girl who couldn't even live her life because of all the seizures she had a day. She had 300 grand mal seizures every week. That is, until she got her medical card.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/07/health/charlotte-child-medical-marijuana/ (http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/07/health/charlotte-child-medical-marijuana/)
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If you could ban tobacco, led. Think of all the backlash you would receive from doing so. All the American citizens that are addicted or use it as a pass time, would not like you very much. Instead of thinking just on the level of your family members, open your eyes and see the wider picture.
If you ban tobacco, it's not going to stop people from being addicted to it. It makes people resort to the black market and crime to get their fix. That's what happened during Prohibition. They banned alcohol, so people made it. There were huge organized crime rings for alcohol (think cartels today) and in the end, guess what? IT FAILED. That's what's happening right now with weed, although it's taking longer.
And I completely agree with you, ax.
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First of all, tell your parents to get a high quality ecig and some ecig juice with nicotine in it. With ecig juice, you can slowly lower the nicotine levels until you have none at all in the juice.
you think my parents haven't tried to quit already? its not that simple they have tried a thousand different times it is just to hard to stop so I would appreciate no criticism for and as my drug stand point it may be helpful for medicines but I would never want stuff like pot legalized to the public it will just be another constant danger and I would shot down the bill every time if I could
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I wasn't trying to criticize, I was just suggesting an easier option. Anyways, it's not even close to the gigantic threat you make it out to be. I've tried it before and it doesn't fog your mind forever, it doesn't make you feel drunk, it is safer than opioid painkillers (I needed morphine for surgery before and hydrocodone after it and both of them make your mind feel slow and tired. In fact, I don't see it's value as a recreational drug because it made me feel sick), and legalizing it reduces the DUI rate by 5-15%.
People will still get high and trip no matter how illegal it becomes. It's better to legalize it so all that money that would go to the black market would go into the state and into legitimate businesses. And you said that you would shoot down every bill that would legalize cannabis if you could; however, shouldn't a representative REPRESENT his/her people? If 55% of people in the U.S. want to legalize cannabis, then you wouldn't be doing your job.
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Drugs aren't safe, but why care for others when you should care about your own health.Though these drugs are dangerous, people still have the will to use them, you can't just take away that right. They knew the consequences of consuming the drugs and hurting themselves mentally and physically, yet they still used it based on their own choices. It's the the same as if a soldier left his family for war knowing that he may not return alive. These bans on drugs aren't going to stop them. It will make them want more. They'll go crazy for even more because of those bans. You guys are spouting this just because you dont want to see another person like that. We all know that in reality, your wishes may never come true.