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PvP Server => Server Positions => Elites/Champion => Topic started by: shishkabob97 on February 04, 2013, 02:34:19 pm

Title: harming potions
Post by: shishkabob97 on February 04, 2013, 02:34:19 pm
I was wondering if we could ban the use of harming pots in e4 fights because they make things way too easy. Before this wasnt a problem because prot 4 armor would protect against it but now every pot does like 6 hearts of damage making them super op.
Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: Tenebrae on February 04, 2013, 07:04:22 pm
I guess the way to go is spamming instant health splash potions on yourself.
Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: Okieskinny on February 04, 2013, 07:13:34 pm
I guess the way to go is spamming instant health splash potions on yourself.
Too bad your opponent can just hop in the splash from the healing potions. :p
Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: Tenebrae on February 04, 2013, 07:37:43 pm
Too bad your opponent can just hop in the splash from the healing potions. :p
Too bad you'd also take damage from your instant damage potions too.
Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: Lucasrx on February 04, 2013, 08:02:58 pm
I agree with shish. Ban thee Harming Pots.
Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: shishkabob97 on February 04, 2013, 08:07:03 pm
Too bad you'd also take damage from your instant damage potions too.
actually they dont. When you throw a harm pot it only hurts the opponent for some reason :/
Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: Okieskinny on February 04, 2013, 08:08:12 pm
Too bad you'd also take damage from your instant damage potions too.
Depends, there are certain ways you can throw the harming potions to avoid taking the damage.
Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: Tenebrae on February 04, 2013, 08:41:25 pm
I agree with shish. Ban thee Harming Pots.
Maybe ban potion effects in the Kanto elite, but still allow them in the Johto elite?
Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: Paradox on February 04, 2013, 08:59:25 pm
I think it's an interesting problem but raises a big question: What do we want from  elite fights? Do we want who can do the most damage in the shortest amount of time? Do we want an epic battle? Do we want a fight that uses strategy, thought and intellect as well as bronze and hardwork? To eliminate potions, we have to break down what we want the champion to be. Does it take real skill to spam potions? Does that take blood and sweat and hours of training? Is that what we want our champion to reflect?


Like I said, interesting question. I'll be sure to bring this up at the admin meeting.
Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: idracoghost on February 04, 2013, 09:26:52 pm
Well elite fights and the whole server pvp in general is not all about stats its also about skill and ability to make fast decisions ,but pot spaming idk like para said interesting question.
Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: Tenebrae on February 04, 2013, 09:30:11 pm
I think it's an interesting problem but raises a big question: What do we want from  elite fights? Do we want who can do the most damage in the shortest amount of time? Do we want an epic battle? Do we want a fight that uses strategy, thought and intellect as well as bronze and hardwork? To eliminate potions, we have to break down what we want the champion to be. Does it take real skill to spam potions? Does that take blood and sweat and hours of training? Is that what we want our champion to reflect?


Like I said, interesting question. I'll be sure to bring this up at the admin meeting.


I like this. And it would also provide a bridge in the difficulty between current Kanto elite and Johto elite, because they currently have the exact same rules.
Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: oddy on February 04, 2013, 09:46:45 pm

I like this. And it would also provide a bridge in the difficulty between current Kanto elite and Johto elite, because they currently have the exact same rules.
I don't want to have a difference in rules with the elites personally, my view is elite is elite, there shouldn't be a difficulty curve or "elite junior division" when were make mention of the "best" pvpers on the server
Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: Tenebrae on February 04, 2013, 09:53:16 pm
I don't want to have a difference in rules with the elites personally, my view is elite is elite, there shouldn't be a difficulty curve or "elite junior division" when were make mention of the "best" pvpers on the server
Gyms in Johto are generally harder than Kanto. But, it was just a suggestion.
Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: Prodigy39 on February 04, 2013, 09:53:43 pm
I don't want to have a difference in rules with the elites personally, my view is elite is elite, there shouldn't be a difficulty curve or "elite junior division" when were make mention of the "best" pvpers on the server
  and the best is not determined by potion spam
Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: Z4X3R on February 04, 2013, 10:16:27 pm
I'd support a ban on harming pots.
Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: cabass on February 04, 2013, 10:38:14 pm
so basically, with the way this is now, I could walk into the e4 with my alt with no weapons no armor a few invis pots and all of my dmge pots and become the champion, no skills neccasary, I would ban them.
Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: blazequilava on February 04, 2013, 10:38:19 pm
Same here, I would ban the Harming potions because thats how most people fight in pvp and I got lazy against shish an pot spammed him :3. if it was banned I wouldn't do that XD. so I support The No Harming pots in elite fights. Tho I think we should keep the other pots just not harming ones.
Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: Tenebrae on February 04, 2013, 11:07:47 pm
The Johto elite is empty, and the champion is oPichuo. If potions were only allowed in Johto elite, it might be an incentive to get one of those positions. It'd also allow for a new generation of Kanto elites that aren't overpowered with extremely high stats.
Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: hobo4chompy on February 04, 2013, 11:51:25 pm
Dont Ban Harming Potions in E4 How am i suppose to Win >_> <_<


Jk Ye I say Ban Harm Pots
Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: ArchieSalt on February 05, 2013, 11:30:04 am
I think it's an interesting problem but raises a big question: What do we want from  elite fights? Do we want who can do the most damage in the shortest amount of time? Do we want an epic battle? Do we want a fight that uses strategy, thought and intellect as well as bronze and hardwork? To eliminate potions, we have to break down what we want the champion to be. Does it take real skill to spam potions? Does that take blood and sweat and hours of training? Is that what we want our champion to reflect?


Like I said, interesting question. I'll be sure to bring this up at the admin meeting.
If I had it my way. It would be back to basics. Sword & Bow, No enchants (Maybe Protection Armor at the maximum)
Fights were much more fair when Sword & Bow was all you could really use. They took skill to win and it wasn't decided by who has the best enchants or the most potions.

Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: Tenebrae on February 05, 2013, 12:01:50 pm
If I had it my way. It would be back to basics. Sword & Bow, No enchants (Maybe Protection Armor at the maximum)
Fights were much more fair when Sword & Bow was all you could really use. They took skill to win and it wasn't decided by who has the best enchants or the most potions.
It'd be nice if there were a reworking of rules on the new map. I'm working on trying to find a nice balance in terms of rules.
Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: shishkabob97 on February 05, 2013, 12:21:52 pm
If I had it my way. It would be back to basics. Sword & Bow, No enchants (Maybe Protection Armor at the maximum)
Fights were much more fair when Sword & Bow was all you could really use. They took skill to win and it wasn't decided by who has the best enchants or the most potions.
I feel like if we did that elite fights would end up being mostly running away from the opponent and would take forever to finish too. just my opinion.
Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: Tenebrae on February 05, 2013, 12:24:39 pm
I feel like if we did that elite fights would end up being mostly running away from the opponent and would take forever to finish too. just my opinion.
We do need longer battles though.
Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: Barnitzn on February 05, 2013, 03:12:28 pm
I agree with Archie, having no enchants is a loss for you most of the time, even if you are the best pvp'er on the server and I think that enchants and pots make the fights a lot easier for you to win/lose it isn't about how good you are at fighting. We should just have dia axe, bow, food (no apples) dia sword, unarmed and a bow with enchanted(or not) Diamond armor
Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: alexandred3 on February 05, 2013, 04:05:20 pm
I agree with Archie, having no enchants is a loss for you most of the time, even if you are the best pvp'er on the server and I think that enchants and pots make the fights a lot easier for you to win/lose it isn't about how good you are at fighting. We should just have dia axe, bow, food (no apples) dia sword, unarmed and a bow with enchanted(or not) Diamond armor
You're talking about having equal fights and yet you suggest using axes, which is one of the main problems of fights being unfair in my opinion. If you want fair elite fights where the best PvPer wins, remove McMMO. I don't look at potions as being unfair because both competitors can use them.
Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: Barnitzn on February 05, 2013, 04:58:19 pm
You're talking about having equal fights and yet you suggest using axes, which is one of the main problems of fights being unfair in my opinion. If you want fair elite fights where the best PvPer wins, remove McMMO. I don't look at potions as being unfair because both competitors can use them.
I do agree that Axes are OP, but someone put more effort than others into training those axes up, I would not mind removing mcmmo for e4 fights, if both people use potions it takes away the skill of fighting (at least instant damage potions) even though it does take some skill to use potions more effectively than others.
Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: Z4X3R on February 05, 2013, 09:26:35 pm
How are axes op?
Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: ArchieSalt on February 06, 2013, 02:32:06 am
Technically, Axes are only OP when enchants are involved. Axes have recently been nerfed to a stage where they are on par with Swords. Just remove enchants and maybe potions then everything will be fair.
Title: Re: harming potions
Post by: Tenebrae on February 06, 2013, 02:49:40 am
Technically, Axes are only OP when enchants are involved. Axes have recently been nerfed to a stage where they are on par with Swords. Just remove enchants and maybe potions then everything will be fair.
Sharpness axes... GG