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Community Related => General Discussion => Debates => Topic started by: Miosio on February 18, 2012, 09:35:14 pm
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Debate anything about sexuality. If it is morally wrong or not, ect.
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Why not let gays get married. Help with adoption, n the world population. Even if Arceus exists and doesn't like Gays, just because they are married its not like hes going to let them in. lmfao So why get pissed about it now? Let people be happy, what does it matter. Life is too short to worry about such trivial things. 8)
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Meh, let 'em do what they want, why should I care if you're gay or not? That's what I say.
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I agree with zombie. Allowing gay marriage helps with alot of our current problems. And if youve got a problem with it, then your a homophobe
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And to help with what zombie said. ' Arceus loves each and everyone of you' - This includes gays meaning the people who say that Arceus hates gay people and therefore gay marriage should not be legalized etc. are basically using religion to disguise the face that they are homophobes.
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And to help with what zombie said. ' Arceus loves each and everyone of you' - This includes gays meaning the people who say that Arceus hates gay people and therefore gay marriage should not be legalized etc. are basically using religion to disguise the face that they are homophobes.
Wrong. If I may quote a religious man off of Yahoo answers, lol:
Arceus does not create a person with homosexual desires. The Bible tells us that a person becomes a homosexual because of sin (Romans 1:24-27), and ultimately because of their own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person choosing to sin by giving into their sinful desires. If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger / rage, does that make it right for then to give into those desires? Of course not! The same is true for homosexuality.
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And to help with what zombie said. ' Arceus loves each and everyone of you' - This includes gays meaning the people who say that Arceus hates gay people and therefore gay marriage should not be legalized etc. are basically using religion to disguise the face that they are homophobes.
Wrong. If I may quote a religious man off of Yahoo answers, lol:
Arceus does not create a person with homosexual desires. The Bible tells us that a person becomes a homosexual because of sin (Romans 1:24-27), and ultimately because of their own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person choosing to sin by giving into their sinful desires. If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger / rage, does that make it right for then to give into those desires? Of course not! The same is true for homosexuality.
First of all, this would be two debates..religion and homosexuality, since, as you may know, I dont beilive in a Arceus so for your claim that a Arceus made people to not have homosexual desires you would have to state the argument that there is a Arceus to create people. And second let me quote something that ive heard awhile ago
even if it was only a desire, not love only a sexual desire, "why would people put themselves though all that shit, discrimination, beatings, and sometimes death for simply a "desire"" not an exact quote but you know..
Sex is not love and sex is the desire we are talking about. If it was only a desire then we could have sex in private with another person but gay people want to not only have sex (the desire) but love the same sex, they can not help who they are attracted to as much as you a stright man can not help that you like girls.
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And to help with what zombie said. ' Arceus loves each and everyone of you' - This includes gays meaning the people who say that Arceus hates gay people and therefore gay marriage should not be legalized etc. are basically using religion to disguise the face that they are homophobes.
Wrong. If I may quote a religious man off of Yahoo answers, lol:
Arceus does not create a person with homosexual desires. The Bible tells us that a person becomes a homosexual because of sin (Romans 1:24-27), and ultimately because of their own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person choosing to sin by giving into their sinful desires. If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger / rage, does that make it right for then to give into those desires? Of course not! The same is true for homosexuality.
Ya because a couple thousand year old book, thats survived millions of book burnings, corrupted church leaders, about how if you dont burn a cow every sunday or trim the hair from your temples your going to hell. Oh and if your neighbors dont you stone them to death. Old testament 8) should tell us how to live. Even tho the fact you can see stays at night proves the bible is wrong about how old the world is. Then we can go on to argue that the old testament isn't accurate thats why theres new testament. But then it just means your changing religions on a mass scale. But then didn't Jesus Die for our sins so we can live life as free people? So that means He died for the sins of the gays, so they can be....Gay? Oh wow. Did that just blow your fucking mind. Jesus loves the gays so much he Died for them. Also, the hell you doing pulling up a quote from the bible. lol does say in the Torah though"You shall not lie with a man as in lying with a woman." (Lev. 18: 22 and 20: 13)
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I only brought up religion because Archie did. In no way am I supporting that side, it was merely showing he was wrong. If you look at it, there's no difference between homosexuality, murder, love, or any human action. Yes, they all give different outcomes, but each of them HAVE outcomes. And religion tells us to not perform certain actions. How the bible picked homosexuality to be bad but playing soccer to be okay? I dont know.
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If you look at it, there's no difference between homosexuality, murder, love, or any human action. Yes, they all give different outcomes, but each of them HAVE outcomes.
Thats just proving its something we can do. We all have the ablity to do actions (have to say duh) But actually I disagree. Some people can do homosexual things without being gay . If you are not gay you dont have the ablity to BE a homosexual, even if technecly you can still do the actions (like them or not). Also "love" isnt an action, its an emotion dealing with chemicals. You can DO actions to show your love but "love" in it self is not an action.
In my opionon SOME people do use the bible to be homophobic, some dont and accept them as who they are. I think people like to pick and choose what they, or who they want to be sinful. There is ALOT of stuff in the bible that says we shouldnt do, such as eat shellfish (could give more expamples if you want) but we dont protest outside of red lobster. People are scared of what they dont understand and will use their relgion to inforce their dislike with their relgion. Just like they did with slavery and intergrated marrage.
sorry for the spelling and grammer. know its horrid.
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Not going to say anything but eventually with a sexuality debate it's going to go into religion. Can't stop it.
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Not going to say anything but eventually with a sexuality debate it's going to go into religion. Can't stop it.
Implying we havn't already hit religion
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I thought I saw someone say how we should keep religion out of the debate, even though religion is probably half the debate itself.
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Just wanna say it. Because of the HUMAN factor in all life there is no way of even determining the validity of the bible. Also translation of that book is sooo different between translators I feel that any "hidden" meaning in the text can simply be a misiterpritation. We also have to consider the time in which the bible was written. Things were endlessly different then and something said then wont be 100% applicable today. No one religion is 100% true. It cant be simply because of human error. We can only participate in the religion that is easiest for us to understand and agree with and comply to the rules put in place by that religion.
If this country was founded on religion (Christian mostly) then this country's laws have to reflect that. If we choose to challege that then the law must be re written and a new government put into place and the laws must be rewritten. Do we still put our hand on a Bible to swear into Government offices? Do we pledge allegence to the flag under Arceus ? Then why do we try to undercut our country's beliefs and go against Arceus 's commandment to support gay marriage? Just sayin.
Also no offence to non US peoples ;D
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Gays are gay
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DJ... -_-
I'm all for gay marriage, and freedom of rights stuff :P
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Just thowing this out there. People have the right to chose all their actions. if this involves homosexuality, then let that person be happy with the choice they made. religion should have no factor in determining if gay marrige is right or wrong. it is the PERSON that makes the choice of committing to gay marrige or not. If people didn't have the ability to make choices, then the human experience would be over. there would be no gay marrige, but millions of people would end up being sad. that is why we have a the ability to make decisions. whatever the outcome is, it all falls upon the person who makes the decision. if that decision is to be homosexual or be miserable, then let them make that decision. religion shouldn't have anything to do with that choice.
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Why is every using lasers now as homosexuality?
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This new censor is really :immafirinmahlazor:
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Im really confused about the words being changed :(
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test:
sex
homosexuality
fuck
shit
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How did they do this. Any whyyyy?
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lol sex became :lazor:
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btw i said s e x
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LOL I LOVE SEX AND LAZORS
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Time to revive this Post
Ecchi Anime >.> <<
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Time to revive this Post
Ecchi Anime >.> <<
ホボはへんたいが大好き〜〜
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Green green mahoromatic ecchie anime
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ホボはへんたいが大好き〜〜
Just read that. LOL.
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Just read that. LOL.
xD
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one, what did it say?
two, im with the "religion" side. Jesus may have died for all our sins (john 3:16) but does it mean we should take life for granted? after all, are our bodies not "temples" for the LORD to live in? gay marriges and such are like using a church for a drug store. its dumb.
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How is a gay marriage using the church as a drug store?
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idk tene the world is a messed up place :cry:
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could be worse...
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as it is, try reading Revelation's last two chapters
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im with the "religion" side. Jesus may have died for all our sins (john 3:16) but does it mean we should take life for granted? after all, are our bodies not "temples" for the LORD to live in? gay marriges and such are like using a church for a drug store. its dumb.
GAY PEOPLEZ
ITS LIKE USING THE CHURCH AS A DRUG STORE
-LilacLily
as it is, try reading Revelation's last two chapters
I think I'm gonna stick with game of thrones..
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>.>
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the world could be worse if we were watching a
MERMAID MELODY FAN DUB :cry:
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Acording to the original bible (the Jewish one), Arceus /anybody said about gays.... nothing.And even if he did, so what?
I have literally no problem with gays, and nobody should. Including religious people, because:
The bible, is actually a book of codes,(again, Im talking about the Jewish one, no idea about the Christian.) that tell us how to act properly in the society.
One of the most important rules in the bibles is: "Respect your friend like you respect yourself" (a very bad translation, But if I'd translate it right it
would get another meaning....) , which means it doesn't matter what anybody's race/religion/sexuality is, you should respect them the way they are.
Oh, and Atheists (don't worry, I have nothing againts any religion/non religion, as I said before.) I don't know if anybody of you did this (I
was too lazy to read the whole post d:), but please don't blame Arceus for some of his believers' stupidity.
Raveh - away!
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My opinion: It's stupid to not go the legal route of marriage between male and male, or female and female, it breaks church and state separation in general. If a guy and a guy want the benefits of legally married they should be allowed to, and vice versa.
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I dont see why they don't let gay marriage become legal
In my life I have found out that you should do stuff that makes them happy not you
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As a straight male, this quote sums up how I feel on the subject of homosexuality:
"I hate the word 'homophobia'. It's not a phobia. You're not scared. You're just an asshole."
I think I'm gonna stick with game of thrones..
I'd just like to say that I couldn't possibly agree more with what you said. ASOIAF is the shit.
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DJ... -_-
I'm all for gay marriage, and freedom of rights stuff :P
Why do none of you understand that I am a sarcastic motherfucker who cares about everything and nothing?
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WHY was this brought back up?!?!?!?!
might as well make something postworthy...
as it is, try reading Revelation's last two chapters
dont wanna? read the series "Left Behind".
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WHY was this brought back up?!?!?!?!
might as well make something postworthy...
dont wanna? read the series "Left Behind".
If you don't like this topic, you could just not look at it, and for once, not post in it.
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I don't hate gays. I will make that very clear. I would gladly vote for gay rights. However, infused with my religion, I have a personal feeling of simply... Not understanding it. I think it is just a little weird. Again, opinions. I believe that when you have a perfect system of marriage, why change it? I believe marriage should be between a man and a women, but honestly, the human mind is amazing, especially in the fact that we can all have different opinions. Our views define us, who we are as people. The problem with this is that sometimes, people are so convinced that their views are supierior, that they lose track of the sheer complexity of the simple opinion. This creates arrogant people who make statements that offend people, and give off a general disrespecting vibe. I have my views, and people have theirs. Leave it at that.
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If you don't like this topic, you could just not look at it, and for once, not post in it.
ok, i wont make RELATED posts.
speaking of, Anon, ur sig... :leave:
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I don't hate gays. I will make that very clear. I would gladly vote for gay rights. However, infused with my religion, I have a personal feeling of simply... Not understanding it. I think it is just a little weird. Again, opinions. I believe that when you have a perfect system of marriage, why change it? I believe marriage should be between a man and a women, but honestly, the human mind is amazing, especially in the fact that we can all have different opinions. Our views define us, who we are as people. The problem with this is that sometimes, people are so convinced that their views are supierior, that they lose track of the sheer complexity of the simple opinion. This creates arrogant people who make statements that offend people, and give off a general disrespecting vibe. I have my views, and people have theirs. Leave it at that.
first:marriage is not a perfect system, and why does it have to be between a man and a woman, allowing gays to get married shouldn't make too big of a diference in most people's lives. It is also a violation of rights from the first amendment.
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first:marriage is not a perfect system, and why does it have to be between a man and a woman, allowing gays to get married shouldn't make too big of a diference in most people's lives. It is also a violation of rights from the first amendment.
How so?
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Ok first of all, it's the people that give the system imperfections. I won't go into derail about perfection in nature, but we were created this way.
Secondly, I did state that this was my opinion, and in no way am I trying to violate people's rights. I don't care if they get married, but I woul never do it. I was hoping that to state my passive opinion.
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How so?
You are taking away their freedoms just because they are gay
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What... did... I... just... read...
As a Liberal Canadian Homosexual Atheist, I just want to say that the majority of you who have attempted to contribute some knowledgeable opinion are amazingly retarded. :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:
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You are taking away their freedoms just because they are gay
But the first amendment says nothing about the rights of homosexuals. The first amendment talks about how the government is not allowed to ban freedom of speech, freedom of press, freedom of religion, the freedom of assembly, and the right to petition.
Unless you're talking about the first amendment from another country's Bill of Rights, or something like it, besides the U.S., if such a thing exists.
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You know what lets just make things easy and blame everything on the republicans, Obama 2012 XD
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Well let me put it this way, it is and is not, do you know the definition of marriage. It was not until the subject became such a controversial topic that governments thought it would be wise to redefine the word so it could fit into what was already set in stone so neatly.
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Jordan actually bring something up of importance and stop calling everyone idiots!
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I couldnt agree with Mario more. And no don't blame the republicans.
Romney 2012!
out come the votes
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:purplebanana: To many words but ya allow gay marriage?
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:purplebanana: To many words but ya allow gay marriage?
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Explain your reasoning.
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Shane, don't be like Jordan and actually say something reliant to the debate.
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Shane, don't be like Jordan and actually say something reliant to the debate.
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This is dumb, Gays should have the rights to live out there lives with whoever they love and be treated the same as any american citizen. Just think how you would feel if you were gay and you go all of this damned ridicule, I defend the right for gay marriage. And shane, stop hiding behind your pictures and talk.
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This is dumb, Gays should have the rights to live out there lives with whoever they love and be treated the same as any american citizen. Just think how you would feel if you were gay and you go all of this damned ridicule, I defend the right for gay marriage. And shane, stop hiding behind your pictures and talk.
My best friend is gay and I dont hate them so stfu?
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shane, read Cab's message again more closely -.-
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Shane, your dumbassidness shines brighter then the sun (anyone see the irony :D)
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Sahaquiel used a revive! This topic was revived!
Anyways, I don't get why homosexuality is such a big deal. I don't give a fuck about who you love or how you love, but for some reason, people still want to keep something that happens in a person's private life illegal. I see a lot of hate on homosexuality every day because I live in the South, one of the most hateful places I know. My friend is bi and I'm scared of all the hate he might get just because of his sexual orientation. No one should be discriminated just because they like men or women.
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Sahaquiel used a revive! This topic was revived!
Anyways, I don't get why homosexuality is such a big deal. I don't give a fuck about who you love or how you love, but for some reason, people still want to keep something that happens in a person's private life illegal. I see a lot of hate on homosexuality every day because I live in the South, one of the most hateful places I know. My friend is bi and I'm scared of all the hate he might get just because of his sexual orientation. No one should be discriminated just because they like men or women.
Amen to that. But here in california people call each other gay on the daily.
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Where in California is here though?? It's a big state ya know
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The Ugandan government is about to pass the Kill the Gays Act. All it needs is the president to sign it. Wouldn't this be illegal under the U.N? This is very bad for LGBT people in Uganda.
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Here's something the Minister of "Ethics and Integrity" said.
In the context of Stephen Fry, asking Ugandan Minister of Ethics and Integrity, Fr. Simon Lokodo, in a recorded interview, why Ugandans were more concerned with what gays did in the privacy of their homes rather than with the high incidence of men raping girls, Lokodo responded: “Ah, But it is the RIGHT kind of child rape. It is men raping girls and that is natural.”
Some details about the law:
"The Kill the Gays bill has Passed in Uganda .There are about two million Reported Gay Men and women in Uganda.This Law is to IN in [sic] prison them and kill them one by one.
Anyone caught or reported gay will be put in prison for life or killed. Anyone who Harbors a gay will be given 14 years in prison . Anyone who helps a gay will receive 3 years in prison. Anyone who talks to a gays will be given One year in prison. You can be thrown in Prison just off someones word.
People in Uganda are rejoicing in the passing of the law as they dance in the streets. Many Say as Christians they are looking to kill them to help there government and say it with Joy and Happiness. Many have been beating in the street already.some killed.
I have had many all morning long who want to kill themselves and end there life. I have been up all morning consoling these people as tears rub down my face.. As Christians are we suppose to hurt each other are love each other. Jesus Christ who repents the light of the world.How can we bring people Christ when we have hate in our hearts. How can we shine light into darkness when we have hate. I ask that all payers be with these people as Rwanda does not repeat it self all over again."- Moses Walusimbi, Founder/CEO Uganda Gay on Move. FB Group "Uganda Gay on Move (http://www.facebook.com/UgandaGayOnMove)".
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The Ugandan government is about to pass the Kill the Gays Act. All it needs is the president to sign it. Wouldn't this be illegal under the U.N? This is very bad for LGBT people in Uganda.
This is just…horrible
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Amen to that. But here in california people call each other gay on the daily.
Same here. :P
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I honestly don't see the problem with being gay or lesbian. If you love someone of the same sex, big deal? No need to make fun of people just because they are different! One of my friends is a lesbian, but we don't make fun of her! There's no need to kill people for loving someone. Sure, it's kind of wrong in a way, but it's their choice, if you want to be gay/lesbian, do it. Why should other people prevent you? It's your live, not their's. Arceus , get a grip people! Focus on fixing your freaking differences instead of making them worse!