Pokemon Server Archive
Community Related => Community/Forum News => Topic started by: Envz on August 10, 2014, 03:50:37 pm
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You're overall idea is a great idea, adding more mods to help people more often should be done if no one is ever on. The way you said it however, was awful...
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I agree with Envz. Yes the way he worded it was different, but it's because no matter what even if an admin is on, nothing gets done.
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I don't see Tymac on that list O_o
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None of them are mods, so we can't promote more mods.
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I believe he posted those for the admins to look at them and consider the players
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I don't see Tymac on that list O_o
He was referring to the applications for the Pixelmon server. Tymac is predominately after a position as a PvP server mod.
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Ah ok.
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The way you say everything however, is awful...
I don't care about the new map,
Obviously.
There are no mods. Three admins isn't enough to help everyone on the server.
It would be if they were consistent.
People need help and the staff aren't providing. Sure when you get on you'll help, but how often is that? Once every two days? The answer is simple.
Jesus christ, is it that hard?
He won't answer you.
Get three new mods for the pixelmon server. There are 10 people at peak times. Machines need fixing.
Moderators can't fix them because they can't spawn items.
Houses need eviction.
Ok.
More houses need to be added.
That won't happen. We have our reasons.
People need help. Get shit fucking done now. Don't put it off.
Ok.
I don't give a damn about the finished maps or any of your bullshit excuses. Do it now.
They aren't bullshit excuses, you only see them that way because you are so dreadfully informed.
:hattip:
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If someone tells you that they are going to give you a shot, would you enjoy the feeling of bracing yourself for that pain, or would you rather just feel the pinprick and get it over with, having minimal emotional stress on top of it?
The administrative team, up to this point, have believed that ripping a band-aid off quickly, rather than prolonging the sticky, hair-pulling agony for months, maybe years, is better. They haven't said anything about the details of their decisions because they simply don't want to create that riot-inducing panic that most players will feel when they realize that things might have to change. It would be end-of-days prophet style preaching, telling new players to run for the hills, and telling old players to stockpile what they can where they can.
The public gets half the information because we honestly believe that the majority cannot handle the entire truth properly, and of the minority that can, they cannot keep it to themselves. We all know how information spreads here, no matter how important the content.
Houses are evicted, cloning machine looks operable. There were still dozens of for-sale houses before I made that run, primarily in the sevii islands.
Please use /houses list more carefully. I can edit that plugin (because it actually is a java .jar plugin) for more customization if y'all request it.
I have the operator status of an admin for now, but I do not have any decision making power if it came to a vote.
I have no answer to the reasons behind inconsistent admins, they live their own lives, not me.
Jesus forgives you if you open your heart to him. But you'll burn in hell if you don't. Logic.
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I love how you put yourself up on the list
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That's because he is on everyday and at that point he had a mod application as well.
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I love how you put yourself up on the list
Honestly, the list doesn't matter. No offense to Envz, but he's a known troll. No Admin is going to listen to his Mod input.
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look whos talking :)
I guess that means you have no response to my answer then?
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They believe in quick action. Not quick decision. Of the decisions that have been made, they are not shared very publicly until the action comes. That action may be a while down the road (when the maps get finished, perhaps) but you won't know what the decision was until then.
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Now put me in my place if I am wrong here but I feel like it can be hard for the admins to promote people to mod (possible trust and commitment issues). Would it be terribly difficult to break up the work a little more than just Admin and Mod? I mean like different levels within each. I mean we kinda have this already (1ce is what now?) and I don't think it would be a bad idea to make it more official and break up the work a little bit (and less possible trust needed for lower levels). Ya know like one person's only job in giving bank chests, another for homes, and so on. Maybe even having a leveling system (Probably too complex) where first level is one task, next level you can add another, and so forth. I dunno if this makes sense at all but just a though I figured I'd throw out there. Good day :D
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(1ce is what now?)
I'm a conundrum. All the operational power of an admin and none of the decision making power. So I do things but I don't have to stress over the effect of the overall impact I have.
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1ce and Tene the reason we want mods is to deal with new players snapping at each other while people are playing the sever, here are some pictures as proof.
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And at what point did you /ignore them?
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I'm trying help solve the chat issues, I'm trying to moderate when new players get on and trying to help them at the same time. When people fight it makes others not want to join and play the server, so whether someone tries to do something or the "admins" who are suppose to be there to solve problems do anything about this, you are basically forcing this server to die whether you or the community wants it to or not. So as of right now since no admins gets on when we have a peek point of players, it falls to the regular players to do the admins "jobs".
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Trying to imply some sort of patronizing won't work when you happily display your own attempts for all to see.
Lightning knock it off, now
it's a Girl Lightning
No. Snib who owns this server?
The owner of this server is Miosio
Not an admin Child
lilwaffles isn't a Admin
Line 1, while trying, is too rude to actually help the situation. It'll just inflame them more.
The rest aren't even relevant, it appears you gave up after one line.
1. Ask what their problem is
2. Determine if you can help solve it
3. If you can, try to do so
4. If you can't, or your attempt fails, politely ask them to take it to a /msg
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1ce either way you or the admin team need to respectfully get off of your asses and do something regarding this server. When even the community wants moderators to be assigned. Your vote poll is currently sitting at ten to two favoring the idea of people becoming moderators.
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1ce, even you know what this server needs. Just take a quick glance at this poll and see what the people are saying. What we honestly want is some moderation on this server as it is clear that the admins can't be bothered to help the petty needs of the players. You've been doing their job for them this past week.
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Mio has just stepped down from admin. Clearly, we need more staff, especially with this recent event. We shouldn't wait until the new maps come out, we need staff very quickly. I suggest adding 2-3 mods.
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Since another admin has stepped down, and the other two admins rarely do anything involving the server since Tene is busy and on late at night for players who live in the U.S. and Prod has school again since you made someone in high school an admin. This server is dying because of all of the avoidance by the admins, the server hasn't been alive for a year even and yet now we see less then ten players usually and very seldom we see more then ten, and at those points in the day there are no admins on to assist in any of the problems that appear once the new players appear. You've changed the rules regarding gyms when all you should have done was add Custom NPC's to the server to be the gym leaders. You have Gym Leaders who need to be timed out, but yet they still have their leader position's.
So your real only opinions now are Shut the server down if your not going to care for those who play it anymore.
Or you make people Moderators to deal with these problems while you admins are "busy" then you won't get bothered, and the "map" update is still at least weeks if not months to years away. So make your decision before this server dies completely.These two opinions are really the admins only choices.
In my personal opinion Mio was the servers only hope in staying alive, but now that she has resigned most likely a lot of the regular players will stop. Mio was the life of the server in my opinion, and honestly I believe I speak for most of the community when I say, Mio we all will miss you as an admin.
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Talk to the community, admins, we know you see this.
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Talk to the community admins, we know you see this.
Who are the "community admins"
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Who are the "community admins"
You know what he meant Tene.
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Who are the "community admins"
So this is what were left with, all we want to do is keep the server up, but you guys are making everything so fucking difficult.
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You know what he meant Tene.
If I did that post would have been unnecessary.
So this is what were left with, all we want to do is keep the server up, but you guys are making everything so fucking difficult.
So what happened to the weekly community meetings? The ones that there was only one of. I might actually be inclined to promote people if they didn't give away locations of things that are supposed to be kept secret, spread exploits to gain pokemon and such, and basically tried to find every way around each preventative measure set up.
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And from what I just red Tene your not asking us how we ended up finding the table. If you just try you will find that you can trust even Xenvz. We all do things to fool around and to just joke around with people. Honestly from what I heard from Xenvz and Donut that the person who teleported everyone on at that time was DjScorsy. So honestly next time just ask us because we are all willing to give you the information you ask for. Some members of the community just want to do our best to improve the server and do what is needed to help this server grow.
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So what happened to the weekly community meetings? The ones that there was only one of. I would definitely be willing to participate in these, but as only Prod stayed through the whole thing, you weren't there, and it was mostly rambling by Rewas, the first one's failure didn't cause many to want another one. I recommend the admins work out a suitable time between themselves and those willing to make suggestions at said meeting. I might actually be inclined to promote people if they didn't give away locations of things that are supposed to be kept secret, spread exploits to gain pokemon and such, and basically tried to find every way around each preventative measure set up. If these somewhat petty issues are the reason staff isn't being promoted, that's a big issue. If you want people to learn and not reveal the work bench, exploit glitches, or jump out of the map, simply warn them that if they want mod or don't want some sort of punishment, they shouldn't be doing things like this. Also, with mods, they can enforce rules against these kinds of things.
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So what happened to the weekly community meetings? The ones that there was only one of. I might actually be inclined to promote people if they didn't give away locations of things that are supposed to be kept secret, spread exploits to gain pokemon and such, and basically tried to find every way around each preventative measure set up.
this is what i try to enforce to be honest with you, but no one cares to listen to me saying anything because im not mod. they try to argue with me telling me that it isn't against the rules. which i tell them it is and they then proceed to ignore me. i do my best to try and help prevent the explotations but it doesnt nessicarilary work. im trying to help with what i can when i can as i have always tryed to do!
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If these somewhat petty issues are the reason staff isn't being promoted, that's a big issue. If you want people to learn and not reveal the work bench, exploit glitches, or jump out of the map, simply warn them that if they want mod or don't want some sort of punishment, they shouldn't be doing things like this. Also, with mods, they can enforce rules against these kinds of things.
More than just that. But a mod should know whats right and whats not. If they don't know that, then they obviously aren't right for the job.
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More than just that. But a mod should know whats right and whats not. If they don't know that, then they obviously aren't right for the job.
Very true. But, even though most candidates have flaws, the ones you referred to can be fixed. The most suitable people willing to take the position should be promoted, as we do need mods. Back to the meetings, what is your viewpoint on that? Do you think a community meeting would be a good idea? Because honestly, I don't see it doing much besides just causing arguments and rambling.
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Very true. But, even though most candidates have flaws, the ones you referred to can be fixed. The most suitable people willing to take the position should be promoted, as we do need mods. Back to the meetings, what is your viewpoint on that? Do you think a community meeting would be a good idea? Because honestly, I don't see it doing much besides just causing arguments and rambling.
Maybe if you decided to have the meeting somewhere easily accessible, and at a time that everyone can be on. It can now be done directly on forums.
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Maybe if you decided to have the meeting somewhere easily accessible, and at a time that everyone can be on. It can now be done directly on forums.
A forums meeting sounds great to me. Now we need to solidify a time/date.
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A forums meeting sounds great to me. Now we need to solidify a time/date.
Can I recommend Saturday afternoons (any American time) as that'll be Sunday morning for Australians, which means both countries can attend this time.
Friday afternoon/Saturday morning would also work but is less convenient for those who have full time jobs and only get Sunday off.
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From what I've seen the people in the Community who like this server have been trying to get these problems fixed, but as liquid said the new players say that giving the location of the work bench isn't against the rules which if you want to be technical it isn't, it doesn't state in the rules that giving out that location is against the rules, so you might want to add that.
The rules of the server that the new players see are.
[1] Be Respectful.
[2] Be Ethnical.
[3] Use Common Sense.
These are the technical rules of this server.
Honestly I know I've been being an asshole on the forums because of this situation but Tene you need to understand where Liquid, Donut, Xenvz and myself are coming from on this, we are each on everyday we are there to play then when the rules start getting broken we try to stop it, but no one listens to us because we don't have the Moderator or Admin Title.
Here is a picture of something that just happened when I got onto the server 7:30am Central Standard Time.
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I thought being out of the map was fine. I see now harm in going out of the map because alot of the high level Pokemon are easier to find there.
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Can I recommend Saturday afternoons (any American time) as that'll be Sunday morning for Australians, which means both countries can attend this time.
Friday afternoon/Saturday morning would also work but is less convenient for those who have full time jobs and only get Sunday off.
I've already told donut my plans, but weekends are out for me.
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More admins stepping down, and even the players showing aggression to he admin now? Sure, admins have a life outside of the server, and sometimes our daily lives don't allow us the time to play or be a big part of the community anymore. But guys, every admin,mod and player has something to do outside this server. Rising up against the admins get you no where, it may just pressure them into making a horrible split second decision. And to be completely honest, if I was an admin, and saw how you're calling out admins and others, I wouldn't really be inclined to promote people with such behavior. Envy, if you worded the first post better, I'm very sure more people would take it seriously. And to Donut, Darth, and everyone else who has showed impatience, just stop. If you keep flaming the people actually in power, this community will fall and so will the server. Right now, we need to be as friendly as possible, and social as possible. To wrap things up, this will probably be my last post on this topic, so guys; lay off the admins back just a little bit so they have some breathing room, and admins, take your time with promotion, trust and knowing the person is better than promoting someone you don't know too well, personality wise.
Okbye
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More admins stepping down, and even the players showing aggression to he admin now? Sure, admins have a life outside of the server, and sometimes our daily lives don't allow us the time to play or be a big part of the community anymore. But guys, every admin,mod and player has something to do outside this server. Rising up against the admins get you no where, it may just pressure them into making a horrible split second decision. And to be completely honest, if I was an admin, and saw how you're calling out admins and others, I wouldn't really be inclined to promote people with such behavior. Envy, if you worded the first post better, I'm very sure more people would take it seriously. And to Donut, Darth, and everyone else who has showed impatience, just stop. If you keep flaming the people actually in power, this community will fall and so will the server. Right now, we need to be as friendly as possible, and social as possible. To wrap things up, this will probably be my last post on this topic, so guys; lay off the admins back just a little bit so they have some breathing room, and admins, take your time with promotion, trust and knowing the person is better than promoting someone you don't know too well, personality wise.
Okbye
I'm just going to be honest and start off by saying that you have no place to talk here, considering you were last seen on the pixelmon almost a year ago. You don't understand the severity of this problem and the inactivity of the admins. To keep it simple and honest,
the admins don't care about the players.
they will get on and try to make the community solve their own problems. They don't help us at all or take our ideas. Mio was the only one who did this, but since she didn't have the time to get on and is now resigned, we are left with two careless admins who don't give a fuck about us.
We are calling out the admins because of how little they care about the community. I'm being honest when I say that. They need us to schedule meetings for them, try to make us solve our own problems, and are not going to give any consideration into this considering Prod is gone for the next week. I don't know how this server is going to go on, there is no moderation or care for players, which makes people hate the server and leave forever. All Prod does when he gets on is fuck around and maybe help a bit here and there. Tene is amazing coder and is a great builder, but is not a great people person who represents our server well. You guys need to sort stuff out, fast, if you want anything to happen with this server.
Don't be mad at me for this post, I'm just stating the brutal and honest truth because I care about this server.
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Envy, you are right, i have no place to talk among the people on the pixelmon server, but that doesn't give you the right to be rude to people. If they don't give a fuck about the players, why do you voice your opinions on here? If you think the admins won't do anything, don't expect this topic to change it. And restating what i said before; try saying things in a calmer tone, believe me, it gets you places faster than how you are taking on the problem now.
The server is nothing without its admins and players. If both can't live with each others flaws, then whats the point of it all?
I can see that, yes, your best interest is the strength and survival of this server, but venting your frustration here, won't help us move forward. I believe that people like you, would be able to change the server as a whole. But taking it in a different tone helps you build followers that agree with your point of view. Lets try to talk this out together like comrades!
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Envy, you are right, i have no place to talk among the people on the pixelmon server, but that doesn't give you the right to be rude to people. If they don't give a fuck about the players, why do you voice your opinions on here? If you think the admins won't do anything, don't expect this topic to change it. And restating what i said before; try saying things in a calmer tone, believe me, it gets you places faster than how you are taking on the problem now.
How could I have made my post calmer? Like I said, I stated the brutal and honest truth the best way I could. If I came off like that I didn't mean to.
The point of voicing my opinion here is to get the players on our side and to have them voice their own opinions. When we have everyone speaking out against them, they will be forced to change. If you cannot speak your opinion out and voted, you shouldn't have.
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I am in one-hundred percent agreeance with Xenvz, this server is going to die if the admins don't do anything, there are very few community members who play the server now, and when they are on they are trying to solve the problems that the admins are to busy to deal with it, which the reason the term Moderators was created. The term Moderation In statistics and regression analysis , moderation occurs when the relationship between two variables depends on a third variable. The third variable is referred to as the moderator variable or simply the moderator. The effect of a moderating variable is characterized statistically as an interaction.
So the definition of a Moderator is to be the in between of two or more problems.
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This is another thing we deal with and most players won't just ignore the players because there really is no point to do so, all we need is to be able to mute the player so others don't have to deal with them because not everyone reads the commands on the servers they join.
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Meanwhile, I just laugh as this isn't even close to the first time this exact same post has surfaced. Just different names of people complaining. Anyways, can't please everyone. Keep doin great admins! :D
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New Map is up?!?! Finally?
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New Map is up?!?! Finally?
lolno
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New Map is up?!?! Finally?
lolno
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And from what I just red Tene your not asking us how we ended up finding the table. If you just try you will find that you can trust even Xenvz. We all do things to fool around and to just joke around with people. Honestly from what I heard from Xenvz and Donut that the person who teleported everyone on at that time was DjScorsy. So honestly next time just ask us because we are all willing to give you the information you ask for. Some members of the community just want to do our best to improve the server and do what is needed to help this server grow.
I love how you edited it but you still misspelled some words.
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By the way, Admins need not care for anyone except for themselves. If you expect them to do something, they won't do shit. If you can't handle the new players fighting, you and they have the chance to use the command /ignore. The idea of getting more staff is to be brought up by the admins themselves. You, the community, including me, have no right or power to enforce an admins decision. All we can is give suggestions and let the admins think it through. If you are unsatisfied then get the fuck out. That too, is a suggestion. Admins are people. It's their server, not yours. You want more rules and staff? Then get your own fucking server.
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Listen to da man he knows how to so stuff. Fate is right, there is a /ignore for a reason so use it. Plus don't be rude to the people who made this server possible for you to have fun on.
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If someone tells you that they are going to give you a shot, would you enjoy the feeling of bracing yourself for that pain, or would you rather just feel the pinprick and get it over with, having minimal emotional stress on top of it?
The administrative team, up to this point, have believed that ripping a band-aid off quickly, rather than prolonging the sticky, hair-pulling agony for months, maybe years, is better. They haven't said anything about the details of their decisions because they simply don't want to create that riot-inducing panic that most players will feel when they realize that things might have to change. It would be end-of-days prophet style preaching, telling new players to run for the hills, and telling old players to stockpile what they can where they can.
The public gets half the information because we honestly believe that the majority cannot handle the entire truth properly, and of the minority that can, they cannot keep it to themselves. We all know how information spreads here, no matter how important the content.
Can confirm. Was admin. This happened a lot.
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You're overall idea is a great idea, adding more mods to help people more often should be done if no one is ever on. The way you said it however, was awful...
You're overall idea is a great idea
You're
I'm SORRY!!!
But seriously he's right people need more promos!
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I'm SORRY!!!
But seriously he's right people need more promos!
How can you say this if you don't even play?
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How can you say this if you don't even play?
LOL
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That's cam tho.... right?
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How can you say this if you don't even play?
Because it's a fact and I know it :hattip:
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That's cam tho.... right?
Fr0zen is not me.
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#fr0zeniscamm2014