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Community Related => General Discussion => Debates => Topic started by: Mariofighter3 on April 05, 2012, 10:12:27 pm
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Ok, I love this topic. Do you think it's possible? I personally don't, and I will go into my facts against its possibility if anyone wants me to.
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Mario I did a 30 minute presentation on this, if I get into this it's gonna be like spam.
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It is possible. You need a vehicle that can travel at a certain speed which will slow down the way everything Looks around you while you are actually travellnig at a normal speed. Once the vehicle stops you will be in the future. Unfortunately there is no current way to go back in time
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I want to see what PARADOX has to think about TIME TRAVEL. Hahaha.
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If anyone has any arguments on this, I'm your man 8)
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If it can happen, I don't believe in alternate timelines because if you experience something and go back and change the past, then what you experienced won't be changed because you already experienced it.
I'm sure there are a million flaws with that statement, but I don't really care because I'm pretty sure it leads to a paradox. And it makes my head hurt.
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I think time is merely a component of one's reality. That's why our perceptions of certain times are different. The old saying "Time flies when your having fun" is merely proof that time is something that you percieve and understand depending on your conscience. Thus, I think that time itself is self controlled based on perception. Like when your adrenline increases, time slows down. You may think time is constant, but in reality, it's not. It's our pure perception. It's hard to break away from this because we've made a way of "measuring" time, but before humans made clocks and ways to schedule "time", what was there? We base time off the sun, but that's not true. In other galaxies, time exists. What time is it there? It all depends upon perception.
So, back to time travel. I think that it truely depends upon your perception. I don't believe in the ability to make a machine and throw you in a certain time period, but I do believe that if one were to change their perception, they would be able to, in a sense, recreate their own reality in any time period they wish. Is that real time travel? I believe so, but that's just personal opinion. I mean, what is reality? When you dream, you think that's reality. So is this reality that we're in now? I don't know, that's a different topic.
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Brilliant summary. But its like saying if you try hard enough, you will succeed. In most cases its not possible.
For example. Me racing Usain Bolt and me winning. Because I 'Tried hard'
I like your idea although its pretty hard to grasp when 'if one were to change their perception, they would be able to, in a sense, recreate their own reality in any time period they wish.'
Everybody wishes they could do this but the truth is. Its practically impossible at the moment. Which kind of makes this topic null and void.
I believe what you said. But its harder than you make it sound.
As for a machine which can place you in a certain time period. I think that is possible in the future. Although obviously not anytime soon.
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If actual time travel were to exist, would either your present conscious overwrite yours from that time period if going back in time or would two of you exist? I want to here what people think of that too.
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@Archie: In no way did I mean to make it seem easy. Whether it is easy or not I don't know because I'm not aware of any techniques that would have you recreate reality. I'm sure it's difficult though.
@Mario: I don't think your getting the entire message. About the physical body, I would assume you would die and be in this new reality. Sleeping is a basic form of recreating your own reality, but it's fragmented and incomplete and your brain is slowed down during this. Maybe it's because your body is trying to rebuild itself and heal and whatnot while you sleep, I don't know. I may be wrong.
Honestly, I don't believe that though. It's too simple. If my idea is correct, then what we are all percieving now isn't a "ultimate reality", it's just one reality that we're all understanding and living in now. Once we lose conscience of it, we're out of it, even though our "body" may be here, but that doesn't matter in the long run. If I'm in a comma, my body isn't what you want, it's my mind. And my mind is just not here, it's it it's own reality, correct? Where I have recreated time to revolve around whatever I want (Or my brain wants, really).
Either way, the body doesn't matter. It's like asking "If I died in my dream, where does my body go?" I don't know.
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Para, I have understood what you have said all along. But, the thing is that my theory on time travel is based around the actual process of bending the fabric of time itself in order to go to the past, not the future. See, in order to truly see if time traveling into the past is a paradox, I need to know if you were over right your conscious in that with the one from the present or would your body and your conscious would go back too. If my conscious hypothesis is correct, then time traveling into the past will no matter what be a paradox. I'll give the simplest example:
Let's say you have always wanted to go back in time. If you were to go to the past and still have your conscious from the present, then you will think "Oh boy, I've been to the past! Now I don't have to in the present." Right there, the paradox starts because in the past your goal has been completed, so now in the future you no longer have to in the present time travel anymore. Because in the present you longer need to, and that your conscious is in your body from the past with your other one (prove why it will happen), you time traveling in the future no longer exists and starts the chain paradox of now having no history of the travel, and so forever repeating the process.
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Actually, I don't think that's a really thought out answer. I can think whatever I want or do what I want, that doesn't affect my surroundings. Your rational here is on the basis of the cliche of time travel but that's not what I'm talking about at all. I don't think you can bend time or create paradox's, it's already layed out. Imagine a grid with an infinite amount of points. And imagine those points being intercepted by an infinite amount of points. Each point can represent a slice of time in a reality. As our conscience works in a linear fashion, we are merely going in a line across one reality plane, correct? So you don't need to bend time, you just need to go to the point and place you would want to be. How to do that, I don't know. But your phyiscal body and your thoughts don't affect that process.
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I know it's a weak example, but it's 11:30 PM and I'm about to collapse. I'll rethink it over in the morning.
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I know it's a weak example, but it's 11:30 PM and I'm about to collapse. I'll rethink it over in the morning.
Sounds good to me bro. I like having these conversations.
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I'm in love with Quantum Physics. Ok since I'm on a phone, I'll make this short and sweet. Technically we are time traveling right now as I speak. We move one second into the future. If your talking about another type of time travel, Enstein's theory of Relativity states it. If you are on a spaceship traveling at the speed of light, only you are speeding up in time, everything else would seem the same. Which basically means if you're travelling in the speed of light for three years, only you age three years. Earth for example might have aged an extra 20 years because only you were in that same speed. You can not travel to the past because of the Grandfather Paradox where it loops over and over again. I can explain that in detail later. Wormholes also are forms of time travel or teleportation as you can bend the Universe to transport yourself. However if uou travel to the past then travel back to the present, if you alter the past, nothing will happen because you travel to another universe if you travel back to the present to not cause the Grandfsther paradox. Be warned this is all a theory, not truth
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^ About the future.
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I agree with Omastar
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Dr. Who :D
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Don't people in different reference frames experience time passing differently? Just remembering what I did on relativity in physics :P
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Don't people in different reference frames experience time passing differently? Just remembering what I did on relativity in physics :P
What do you mean by reference frames? I haven't taken physics yet, so most of my observations are purely guessing and theoretical with no actual backing behind them.
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Im baffled.
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Don't people in different reference frames experience time passing differently? Just remembering what I did on relativity in physics :P
What do you mean by reference frames? I haven't taken physics yet, so most of my observations are purely guessing and theoretical with no actual backing behind them.
Short Version: How would the objects around you, change whilst you're moving through time?
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People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff.
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Don't people in different reference frames experience time passing differently? Just remembering what I did on relativity in physics :P
What do you mean by reference frames? I haven't taken physics yet, so most of my observations are purely guessing and theoretical with no actual backing behind them.
Short Version: How would the objects around you, change whilst you're moving through time?
They are perceived to change around you. Look at some relativity concepts and formulas and you will see why
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This is essentially what i mean by my first post. Its really interesting and in a way adds evidence to the topic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ0gQevrPTo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ0gQevrPTo)
Check it out when you have the time
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now I'm not saying it was Aliens, but it was Clefairy
(my explination of time travel)
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This is essentially what i mean by my first post. Its really interesting and in a way adds evidence to the topic.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ0gQevrPTo[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ0gQevrPTo[/url])
Check it out when you have the time
that was cool
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No Problem master. I saw it last year on TV and i thought id share it
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Imagine somebody going back in time, and killing their grandmother before she had children,
If their grandmother died, the person who killed her wouldnt be born.
However, if that person wasnt born, he/she couldnt have killed their grandmother.
DUN DUN DUUUUUUUN
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Now that's a paradox :P
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Indeed it is. Its like the episode of family guy where stewie created the big bang.
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Imagine somebody going back in time, and killing their grandmother before she had children,
If their grandmother died, the person who killed her wouldnt be born.
However, if that person wasnt born, he/she couldnt have killed their grandmother.
DUN DUN DUUUUUUUN
Technically the Grandfather Paradox. You go back in time to meet your grandfather who tells his grandson about a guy who looked like him who he met long ago, sometimes you can meet the baby version of you and tell tips on how to survive in the future. But then when he gets the tips, he got it himself in the past and back in present day. FUCK IT. Paradox confuse me
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Paradox's are a no go topic