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PvP Server => Suggestions => Topic started by: jibbyfunk on August 15, 2013, 07:12:49 pm

Title: Just a suggestion
Post by: jibbyfunk on August 15, 2013, 07:12:49 pm
As I am sure many of you know, with 1.6 came the ability to turn off regeneration (other than by potions and apples) with /gamerule naturalRegeneration false. I'm not sure how others would feel about this, but I personally think it is a good idea. It would make it feel more like the Pokemon games where you can only heal by potions or Pokemon Centers. It would also give the game a bit more challenge and make the battles just that much better and more realistic. Please, at least consider this.  ;) :cool:
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: Rukariokun on August 15, 2013, 07:46:01 pm
I personally like the idea. I've been watching a lot of Mind Crack as of late, and I find a lack of natural regeneration really adds another layer of skill to the game (and I wouldn't mind my multiple double-chests of health pots becoming a bit more valuable, too >.>).

At the very least, I'd like to see a week-long experiment with natural regen off.  ;)
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: 1cec0ld on August 16, 2013, 02:14:05 am
I think I would modify this suggestion by saying "Only allow it in the wilderness world where people (new people) need to survive, and disabling it in the pokemon world."

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: Tenebrae on August 16, 2013, 02:18:51 am
I think I would modify this suggestion by saying "Only allow it in the wilderness world where people (new people) need to survive, and disabling it in the pokemon world."

Thoughts?

So food in gyms suddenly becomes useless?

Is it just hunger healing, or also apply to regenerative potion effects?
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: jibbyfunk on August 16, 2013, 09:29:52 am
It makes it so the only way you regen is by regen potions as well as golden apples. You still need food to not starve though. 1ce, I would be okay with still having regen in the wilderness areas.
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: oddy on August 16, 2013, 09:50:35 am
I get what your saying about only healing at centers in game, but also in game you only take damage from a battle. There are too many factors outside of a fight(pve or PVP) that cause damage, hunger, fall, drowning, burning. Okay maybe 4 ways but still keeping that in mind I like regen and I don't see a reason to take it away.
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: ZobTheSlayer on August 16, 2013, 01:34:01 pm
I hate this idea. It's pointless. It makes food pointless. It makes EVERYTHING in the hunger arena USELESS
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: jibbyfunk on August 16, 2013, 01:54:05 pm
That is not true at all Zob. Sure food isn't as important but you still need it. Are you saying that starving is impossible? Because you in fact CAN still starve and will if you don't eat food. Plus, how are golden apples useless? Are you saying regeneration is useless? That would mean you do in fact love this idea.
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: Sahaquiel_9 on August 16, 2013, 02:39:59 pm
What she meant is that regen potions and golden apples cost a lot of stuff. For regeneration potions, you have to go in the nether and find ghasts.  You could get killed.  But nope! It's so you can regen in the map.  And the same with golden apples but their problem isn't rarity or danger, it's price. It's expensive to get golden apples.  I agree with zob because it's inconvenient and just makes the game harder.  Should we also block off saffron until you get a certain item for the sake of making the server more pokemon-like? Should we have gym leader assistants that you have to fight before you get to the leader? No.  Should we force trainers to get to the top of the pokemon tower just like in the games? no.   Making something more like the game doesn't make it better.
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: jibbyfunk on August 16, 2013, 03:02:10 pm
You guys are missing the point. Even without natural regeneration, you could very easily visit a Pokemon Center. It takes almost no time and is easy to do. I'm mainly focusing on fighting. It would make fights better because you don't have to depend on regeneration to keep you alive. It would be all about how skilled a fighter you are. Not how good a hider you are.
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: ZobTheSlayer on August 16, 2013, 03:11:20 pm
How can you " Hide " in a battle? Explain that. Either way, regen BARELY makes a difference having it or not. It's pointless to turn it off anyways. Plus, what's the point? Having regen off is no point. The way to make golden apples ect ,as Saha said, it really hard to get the materials. As a gym leader myself, I don't want have to spend above 5 hours a week searching for resources to make stupid potions and Golden apples.  End of discussion. 
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: jibbyfunk on August 16, 2013, 03:28:51 pm
Not the end of this discussion. Like I said, just go to a Pokemon Center. You are a Gym Leader so you can /warp to different places to heal. Who ever uses potions or golden apples anyways? Almost nobody. THEY GO TO A POKEMON CENTER. And if it is "pointless" then why do you care if it goes on or off? Your logic is off the scales in terms of crazy. As for hiding in battle, you can run behind a wall and be able to regen 2-4 hearts easy.
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: ZobTheSlayer on August 16, 2013, 04:01:26 pm
Wow calm down. Only donors can warp. Being a Gymleader doesn't give you the power to warp. You still have to donate. Also, not every arena has walls to hind behind. Also, easy sniping from the side. You wouldn't have enough time to regen.
As for the golden apples and potions, people do use them. Explain this, how would I get to a PokeCenter if I'm in the middle of the Nether and I'm near a really epic thing. I got no more homes and I don't want to tpa anyone else to me. I really need to heal or I'll die.  What would I do then?
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: Sweaty on August 16, 2013, 04:16:17 pm
I love when suggestions turn into debates :)
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: jibbyfunk on August 16, 2013, 04:17:47 pm
Fine let's do this. If 1ce/Tene/whoever allows it, I will open a poll in this thread and if a majority votes yes after a week, we at least try it out for 1 week. Nobody else post here except Mods/Admins.
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: ZobTheSlayer on August 16, 2013, 04:51:33 pm
If a majority votes yes, we do nothing because hardly anyone will vote Yes
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: Rukariokun on August 16, 2013, 05:27:57 pm
If a majority votes yes, we do nothing because hardly anyone will vote Yes
  Well then call me hardly anyone!  :D


What she meant is that regen potions and golden apples cost a lot of stuff. For regeneration potions, you have to go in the nether and find ghasts.  You could get killed.  But nope! It's so you can regen in the map.  And the same with golden apples but their problem isn't rarity or danger, it's price. It's expensive to get golden apples.  I agree with zob because it's inconvenient and just makes the game harder.  Should we also block off saffron until you get a certain item for the sake of making the server more pokemon-like? Should we have gym leader assistants that you have to fight before you get to the leader? No.  Should we force trainers to get to the top of the pokemon tower just like in the games? no.   Making something more like the game doesn't make it better.
  Regeneration potions are hard to come by, sure, but like I said earlier, I have a surplus and easy source of Instant Health potions to distribute / sell for like $50 each (like seriously I need to show off my Potion Brewer some time :P). That, along with [heal] signs in every single town and city, including spawn, really makes lack of natural regen much less of an inconvenience than you make it out to be.  ;)
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: Tenebrae on August 16, 2013, 06:03:34 pm
Wow calm down. Only donors can warp. Being a Gymleader doesn't give you the power to warp. You still have to donate. Also, not every arena has walls to hind behind. Also, easy sniping from the side. You wouldn't have enough time to regen.
As for the golden apples and potions, people do use them. Explain this, how would I get to a PokeCenter if I'm in the middle of the Nether and I'm near a really epic thing. I got no more homes and I don't want to tpa anyone else to me. I really need to heal or I'll die.  What would I do then?

Gym leaders do have warp at a $500 cost. Nether is still considered wild.
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: oddy on August 16, 2013, 06:25:43 pm
I don't see a single positive to this I really don't
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: Tenebrae on August 16, 2013, 06:48:47 pm
I don't see a single positive to this I really don't

Every trainer will ask 'why isnt my health regenerating' lol
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: oddy on August 16, 2013, 06:55:15 pm
Every trainer will ask 'why isnt my health regenerating' lol
#notapositive
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: Tenebrae on August 16, 2013, 07:00:09 pm
#notapositive

#neversaiditwas
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: 1cec0ld on August 16, 2013, 09:29:49 pm
What i see is more realism and more incentive for new players to build up in the wild, rather than grinding in front of pallet town.
There would be more "motivation" to go where they can regenerate, and then do all their challenges when they know or believe they are ready.
In addition to the afore stated realism, you don't regenerate Pokemon as you walk.
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: Rukariokun on August 16, 2013, 11:34:24 pm
What i see is more realism and more incentive for new players to build up in the wild, rather than grinding in front of pallet town.
There would be more "motivation" to go where they can regenerate, and then do all their challenges when they know or believe they are ready.
In addition to the afore stated realism, you don't regenerate Pokemon as you walk.
^Yes.
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: Prodigy39 on August 16, 2013, 11:45:08 pm
If you're thinking of realism, why don't we remove PvP and PvE damage? You don't take damage in the games, just your Pokemon do.
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: Noivern on August 16, 2013, 11:50:02 pm
If you're thinking of realism, why don't we remove PvP and PvE damage? You don't take damage in the games, just your Pokemon do.
Could have sworn that "We are the Pokemon". If not, Excuse me for my stupidity.

Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: Tenebrae on August 16, 2013, 11:54:32 pm
Could have sworn that "We are the Pokemon". If not, Excuse me for my stupidity.



Really, the weapons are.
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: Noivern on August 17, 2013, 12:03:38 am
Really, the weapons are.
Fair enough.
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: oddy on August 17, 2013, 12:15:49 am
What i see is more realism and more incentive for new players to build up in the wild, rather than grinding in front of pallet town.
There would be more "motivation" to go where they can regenerate, and then do all their challenges when they know or believe they are ready.
In addition to the afore stated realism, you don't regenerate Pokemon as you walk.
ok you don't regen by walking in pokemon but you also don't get "that ledge was bigger than you thought and hurt all your pokemon" or "hugging magmar was a bad idea, now your dead" or "your Mum found out you skipped a meal, found you, and will hit you until you eat" there's a lot of shit in minecraft that isn't in pokemon but if you want up get more realism, disable all damage when out of combat, disable fall damage, give /fly to everyone with 4 badges, disable all potions that effect your enemy since there are no enemy harming items in pokemon just self buff and healing. Don't let anyone in saffron city til they buy me a beer, if they beat a gym course and lose to the leader nerf course with unlimited rechallenge 0 wait time cause that's how it is in the game.

My point being there are a lot of things that don't match up, and it doesn't make sense to have it the same, this being one of them.

Also players have to go to the wild regardless for materials and players who grind rt 1 tend to get killed so they don't stay there long
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: 1cec0ld on August 17, 2013, 01:00:56 am
Could have sworn that "We are the Pokemon". If not, Excuse me for my stupidity.

Welcome to the server, please read the signs in Oaks Lab, because you obviously haven't recently.

And By recently, I mean the last half a year.
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: ZobTheSlayer on August 17, 2013, 06:00:55 am
I know that Pokemon health doesn't regen. But in real life, it basically means that if I was to fall over now, and go into a coma, and I couldn't regen to wake up, then I'm dead forever unless someone carries me away. But, when would that happen? It could take forever for all I care. By then. I'd probably be dead.
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: oddy on August 17, 2013, 07:26:27 am
I know that Pokemon health doesn't regen. But in real life, it basically means that if I was to fall over now, and go into a coma, and I couldn't regen to wake up, then I'm dead forever unless someone carries me away. But, when would that happen? It could take forever for all I care. By then. I'd probably be dead.
the fuck, bro? If you fall down hit your head and go into a coma, you would go to a pokecenter, it's called a hospital. I'm against removing health regen but your argument is not valid
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: ZobTheSlayer on August 17, 2013, 07:32:01 am
I can't move while I'm in a coma -_-
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: Tenebrae on August 17, 2013, 09:42:46 am
I can't move while I'm in a coma -_-

Somehow the trainer makes it to the last Pokémon Centre they visited when they blackout in games.
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: Noivern on August 17, 2013, 11:35:21 am
Welcome to the server, please read the signs in Oaks Lab, because you obviously haven't recently.

And By recently, I mean the last half a year.
Eh, I don't stay at spawn that much and I have been on for over half a year. *Shrugs*
Title: Re: Just a suggestion
Post by: jibbyfunk on August 18, 2013, 11:56:08 am
I missed quite a bit while I was away at camp for 3 days...#NoRegen