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Title: Religon
Post by: Miosio on February 18, 2012, 09:32:42 pm
Debate any topics about religion, feel free to make other topics that are more specific.
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: zombiedood on February 18, 2012, 09:47:12 pm
Your  Arceus , His  Arceus , Her  Arceus . Who cares, why kill each other and instill fear n hatred for each other about them. Agnostic, les find out with SCIENCE!  8)
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: CKDavid on February 18, 2012, 10:03:40 pm
Again, I don't really care what you worship, as long as you're not trying to force me to have your beliefs. As some guy's signature I saw once said:


"Religion is like a penis. It's good to have and be proud of, but don't shove it down my throat."


Or something like that. ;)
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: zombiedood on February 19, 2012, 04:10:02 am
Religion is like a penis, its fine to have one, Its fine to be proud of one. But dont whip it out in public or shove it down my kids throats.  8)
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: 1cec0ld on February 19, 2012, 05:26:36 am
Your  Arceus , His  Arceus , Her  Arceus . Who cares, why kill each other and instill fear n hatred for each other about them. Agnostic, les find out with SCIENCE!  8)

Oh. My.  Arceus .
Dumbest phrase in history.
What makes your  Arceus  different from mine? Isn't the definition of  Arceus  omnipresent?
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Vitto on February 19, 2012, 05:28:45 am
Lol zombie.

Religion is cool.
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Miosio on February 19, 2012, 09:39:57 pm
Lol zombie.

Religion is cool.
i disagree
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: zombiedood on February 20, 2012, 02:23:46 am
Your  Arceus , His  Arceus , Her  Arceus . Who cares, why kill each other and instill fear n hatred for each other about them. Agnostic, les find out with SCIENCE!  8)

Oh. My.  Arceus .
Dumbest phrase in history.
What makes your  Arceus  different from mine? Isn't the definition of  Arceus  omnipresent?


It was reference to religions, not one  Arceus  but all the figure heads of Religions. Like how people sit on the corners of streets with  Arceus  hate gay signs, or how "all muslims are terrorists" but we know its not true.
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Miosio on February 20, 2012, 02:46:20 pm
Your  Arceus , His  Arceus , Her  Arceus . Who cares, why kill each other and instill fear n hatred for each other about them. Agnostic, les find out with SCIENCE!  8)

Oh. My.  Arceus .
Dumbest phrase in history.
What makes your  Arceus  different from mine? Isn't the definition of  Arceus  omnipresent?


It was reference to religions, not one  Arceus  but all the figure heads of Religions. Like how people sit on the corners of streets with  Arceus  hate gay signs, or how "all muslims are terrorists" but we know its not true.

First, "what makes your  Arceus  diffrent from mine?" Well there are diffrent gods outside the abrahamic relgion. In diffrent relgions there could be multiple gods that do diffrent things (hinduism), there can be a trinity  Arceus ,  Arceus  of thunder, or whatever. In each reilgion, or religious book it tells us what is diffrent about each  Arceus  and how he handles something, one  Arceus  might say its acceptable to murder someone if they do something and in another religion murder of any animal is unexeptable no matter what.
omnipresent is being everywhere all the time, not being every  Arceus ...if there was one :3 (I love you 1ce)

I was ganna say something to zombie but i forgot.
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: zombiedood on February 20, 2012, 05:56:02 pm
Happens, it'll come to you. lol 8)
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: zombiedood on February 26, 2012, 04:27:55 am
Yaknow what I dont see in the bible. Where in there does it tell me I cant fucking swear? No fucking where. Sure don't take the lord's name in vein but there's no "Can't swear" rules. So, Fuck Yeah Seaking 8)
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Warmonger_2 on March 02, 2012, 11:21:20 am
1 Peter 2:1: "Wherefore laying aside all malice and all guile and hypocrisies  and cries and all evil speakings."

Found one  ;)
 
And just to bring it out. Both me and Bespinben are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Shorter name is LDS and most commonly recongized name is Mormons.
 
Also. Around late June I will be off the server for around Two Years. (Dont Delete my stuff  8) )
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: MasterAssassin82 on March 25, 2012, 03:09:39 pm
" Arceus  is an imaginary friend for grownups"
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Tenebrae on March 30, 2012, 11:12:52 pm
If it weren't for religion, i would be missing out on a lot of good music :P
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Mariofighter3 on March 31, 2012, 03:48:51 pm
If there is one religion I have to judge, it would be Beiberism. :P
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Paradox on March 31, 2012, 04:14:09 pm
" Arceus  is an imaginary friend for grownups"


That is one of the stupidest thing I have ever heard. And I have heard a lot of stupid things in my life. Honestly, I lost so much respect for you. I'm Jewish and I love hte Jew jokes out there such as we're cheap and big noses. I dont' care, I think they're hilarious, most people know that about me. But when you blatantly label  Arceus  as an immature fake figure rather than state "I don't believe in  Arceus ", you go way past the line of respect. If you don't believe in  Arceus , fine. If you think I'm stupid for praying, fine. But the second you say I'm immature and ignorant, which is the point of saying imaginary friend, you're going to far. I think Atheists are fine and are allowed to have their opinions, but don't fucking make fun of me.
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Warmonger_2 on March 31, 2012, 11:57:51 pm
^
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Tenebrae on April 01, 2012, 03:55:55 am
^
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Rigby on April 01, 2012, 04:07:21 am
V :roll:
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: ~Ali~ on April 01, 2012, 04:39:47 am
^Too true Para.
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Tactic on April 01, 2012, 05:28:56 am
^Won't see a reply from MasterAssassin in a while.
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: synderfin on April 01, 2012, 06:24:43 am
^
Agreed
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Prodigy39 on April 01, 2012, 07:08:00 am
I learned about Budism in school. I prefer Bootyism.  :banana:
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Rigby on April 01, 2012, 04:52:15 pm
I just realized Religion is misspelled in the topic name.
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Prodigy39 on April 01, 2012, 04:54:06 pm
Lol ReliGON nice Mio.....
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: ArchieSalt on April 02, 2012, 06:02:29 am
LOL, I agree with you paradox :P
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: MasterAssassin82 on April 12, 2012, 11:23:40 pm
" Arceus  is an imaginary friend for grownups"


That is one of the stupidest thing I have ever heard. And I have heard a lot of stupid things in my life. Honestly, I lost so much respect for you. I'm Jewish and I love hte Jew jokes out there such as we're cheap and big noses. I dont' care, I think they're hilarious, most people know that about me. But when you blatantly label  Arceus  as an immature fake figure rather than state "I don't believe in  Arceus ", you go way past the line of respect. If you don't believe in  Arceus , fine. If you think I'm stupid for praying, fine. But the second you say I'm immature and ignorant, which is the point of saying imaginary friend, you're going to far. I think Atheists are fine and are allowed to have their opinions, but don't fucking make fun of me. <----- calm the fuck down.

LOL I'll just stop talking about my opinions on religion because religious people get offended WAAAAYYYY too easily.

Honestly if you are so sure your  Arceus  is real, you shouldn't get so offended by us atheists.
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Rigby on April 12, 2012, 11:36:16 pm
I'm an atheist, I'll admit it. MrAssassin, you completely disrespected the religions saying that you don't believe  Arceus  is real is one thing, but completely insulting them is another.
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Miosio on April 13, 2012, 12:38:07 am
I'm an atheist, I'll admit it. MrAssassin, you completely disrespected the religions saying that you don't believe  Arceus  is real is one thing, but completely insulting them is another.
Think you said that wrong. We dont disrespect a religion just by not beilive in it
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Anonymouslyanon on April 13, 2012, 12:44:53 am
I think he missed a period.
I'm an atheist, I'll admit it. MrAssassin, you completely disrespected the religions. Saying that you don't believe  Arceus  is real is one thing, but completely insulting them is another.

Title: Re: Religon
Post by: MasterAssassin82 on April 13, 2012, 02:30:35 am
I wasn't completely insulting them
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: MasterAssassin82 on April 13, 2012, 02:42:43 am
and anyway, don't get so f*cking offended para, it isn't the end of the world if I don't believe in a giant guy with a big beard who lives in the clouds.... :p everyone is entitled to their opinions and are allowed to express them para.

calm down
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Tactic on April 13, 2012, 05:24:06 am
Well after what you said it isn't very mature to say "Calm down" instead you should be saying "I am sorry I didn't think it would insult you" or something.

Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Warmonger_2 on April 13, 2012, 03:11:56 pm
^^^
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: ArchieSalt on April 13, 2012, 03:59:19 pm
Master, Try to express your feelings in a less insulting way. I know you may have not meant to offend anyone, Just try to make sure your thoughts are expressed clearly
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Paradox on April 13, 2012, 05:47:49 pm
Obviously you didn't read my post. I don't care if you don't believe in  Arceus  or religion. I'm amazing friends with Rigby and Mio and they're atheists. I have no problem with it, I think everyone is entitled to one. But you were completely disrespectful and you are continuing to be disrespectful! You are now comparing my  Arceus  to a "guy in the clouds" and trying to belittle it. Honestly, if you want to express your opinions, go ahead. But realize that you're being extremely disrespectful. Not once did I belittle or say Atheists were wrong. You have tried to make me seem like an idiot for believing in a religion multiple times.
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: MasterAssassin82 on April 13, 2012, 06:20:39 pm
Sorry for offending you para, I hope we can see past this disagreement. I just have very strong opinions about religion and it is probably best not to share them in the way I have been. Sorry
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Paradox on April 13, 2012, 06:23:40 pm
Sorry for offending you para, I hope we can see past this disagreement. I just have very strong opinions about religion and it is probably best not to share them in the way I have been. Sorry


No need to be sorry. I just wish people would stop pushing their thoughts upon others. I don't like it when Christians come to my door and ask me to join their religion. I understand why they do it, but it annoys me still. Same goes for athiests, or anything else. I'd love to hear your opinions about religion, but please do it respectfully. If you want to say  Arceus  is fake, be my guest. Just don't say I'm stupid for being that way.
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Miosio on April 13, 2012, 06:35:27 pm
I think he missed a period.
I'm an atheist, I'll admit it. MrAssassin, you completely disrespected the religions. Saying that you don't believe  Arceus  is real is one thing, but completely insulting them is another.

That makes so much more sense :3
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Miosio on April 13, 2012, 06:45:31 pm
Sorry for offending you para, I hope we can see past this disagreement. I just have very strong opinions about religion and it is probably best not to share them in the way I have been. Sorry

I have strong oponions on religion also. (Ask anyone on ts who brings the subject up lol) But I try to do it in a respectful way. I quote what it says in the bible and argue agasint the religion but not the person who beilives in it. There are stupid/smart people in every religion/non religion. And being an atheist Im willing to say that its POSSIBLE there is a  Arceus . For me Im saying "science cant prove everything in the world yet but im not willing to put a  Arceus  in the hole until I have evidence for one"

 "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" - Carl Sagan
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Paradox on April 13, 2012, 07:04:02 pm
Sorry for offending you para, I hope we can see past this disagreement. I just have very strong opinions about religion and it is probably best not to share them in the way I have been. Sorry

I have strong oponions on religion also. (Ask anyone on ts who brings the subject up lol) But I try to do it in a respectful way. I quote what it says in the bible and argue agasint the religion but not the person who beilives in it. There are stupid/smart people in every religion/non religion. And being an atheist Im willing to say that its POSSIBLE there is a  Arceus . For me Im saying "science cant prove everything in the world yet but im not willing to put a  Arceus  in the hole until I have evidence for one"

 "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" - Carl Sagan


Okay, I'll open a basic debate with you here. Honestly, in Judiasm, the basis of there being a  Arceus  or not is not a large part. We hardly believe care about a Hell or Heaven. What Judaism is, or at least my specific group practices, a cultural group more than a religion. We believe the actions are more important that an individual. If  Arceus  is real or not does not really matter to me nor does the other little parts. If  Arceus  is real, should that affect the way I act? No, I should act out of the goodness of my heart and what the Torah teaches because, in GENERAL, it teaches moral things that I believe human beings should strive to be.
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Miosio on April 13, 2012, 07:25:23 pm
Sorry for offending you para, I hope we can see past this disagreement. I just have very strong opinions about religion and it is probably best not to share them in the way I have been. Sorry


I have strong oponions on religion also. (Ask anyone on ts who brings the subject up lol) But I try to do it in a respectful way. I quote what it says in the bible and argue agasint the religion but not the person who beilives in it. There are stupid/smart people in every religion/non religion. And being an atheist Im willing to say that its POSSIBLE there is a  Arceus . For me Im saying "science cant prove everything in the world yet but im not willing to put a  Arceus  in the hole until I have evidence for one"

 "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" - Carl Sagan



Okay, I'll open a basic debate with you here. Honestly, in Judiasm, the basis of there being a  Arceus  or not is not a large part. We hardly believe care about a Hell or Heaven. What Judaism is, or at least my specific group practices, a cultural group more than a religion. We believe the actions are more important that an individual. If  Arceus  is real or not does not really matter to me nor does the other little parts. If  Arceus  is real, should that affect the way I act? No, I should act out of the goodness of my heart and what the Torah teaches because, in GENERAL, it teaches moral things that I believe human beings should strive to be.


I dont know if its just your specific sect/denomination of Judaism (which way to spell your own religion right :3 <3) But in world religions class we had a jew speaker and one of the main parts of the religion is a personal monotheistic  Arceus . Another part he said is there is only a select few that can get into heaven and those people are from the Jewish faith. So Idk if its just your modern beilives but it seemed liek those two aspects were important. A big part of Judaism is the cultural part I agree, the traditions. I also think you can be a good, great person without doing those things in the Torah, You can still act out of the goodness of your hear without it. I dont think you should just stop your traditions and practices just because you dont beilive in it, if that happend, because its a part of who you are, there are Jewish people who dont beilive but practice the traditions because its the history of their people. Just like how i celebrate christmas without the christ.
Now with the Torah (the books of moses), I disagree it teaches more moral behavior then bad stories. I had a book called "good book" http://www.amazon.com/Good-Book-Hilarious-Disturbing-Marvelous/dp/0061374245
It was written from a Jews prospective of the old testiment which oridented from the Toah. And the stories in it, Im sorry, but they are of stories of killing, rape, and disturbing things. Yes there are some good things in there. But some good things do not make up for the bad.

I cant remember these things from memory so I will use this website: http://www.evilbible.com/sexism_in_the_torah.htm

Genesis 3:16 Says that all women must suffer great pains during child birth due to Eve eating the fruit of knowledge.  (As if it is somehow just that humans should pay for their ancestor’s sins nor is a woman dying in labor some how befitting of a crime she did not commit.) The verse finishes of by saying a husband shall “rule” over his woman, stripping us off all power in between the sexes.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 A rapist must buy his victim from her father for 50 shekels.  Is this supposed to be some type of retribution?  What about the victim here, what if she doesn’t want to marry a pig who raped her?  All that matters is her father receives payment for his “property”.

Theres more on the site, I use the last one a lot.
Slavery is another one. Sure it used to be acceptable in the olden days but not today. So  Arceus  had to set rules to protect the slaves? But How do we know which passages are for back then and still are needed today, like the homosexual one.
In my opionon to follow the Torah/old testiment as a moral guild would just be picking and choosing. Why not go off your own morals instead of picking and choosing from a book that has a lot of imorals in my own opinion.
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Warmonger_2 on April 13, 2012, 10:14:46 pm
Fell like I should pop into this one.
 
In my Christian religion (yes I am a Mormon, though we prefer to be called LDS or members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) we have a living prophet that provides modern revelations from  Arceus  to help us in the places where the Bible of other books lack (we use the Bible, Pearl of Great Price, Doctrine and Covenants, and The Book of Mormon). And just like you said about slavery Mio "Sure it used to be acceptable in the olden days but not today.", I feel that scriptures like Deuteronomy 22:28-29 and Genesis 3:16 have the same thing. As in they were for back then, not necessarily for today.
 
 
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Warmonger_2 on April 13, 2012, 10:27:10 pm
And another note that Para kind of brought up.
 
In our religion we believe there is a Heaven and a Hell. But where we differ is that we believe there are three degrees of glory in heaven. The Celestial (best), Telestial (second), and Terrestrial (third). And each one of these levels are home to different people based on how they lived their life here on earth. We also have a much higher level on what we fell would cause you to go to Hell. In fact, we believe the Terrestrial Kindom to be equvilant to a perfected earth. The likes of which would cause anyone who saw it to want to commit suicide just to get into it; and they would because suicide would not warrant their entry into Hell. Obviously the Celestial Kingdom is where  Arceus , Jesus Crist, and the Holy Ghost lives and it is also where the especially good would live (and no they do NOT have to be LDS to be here. Many people within many different religions-or no religion- would be able to live here). What I like most about this is that we will be able to visit others in lower levels of glory and people in Hell. And eventually over the eternities everyone will be able to accend up through the levels and be able to live in the presence of  Arceus  in the Celestial Kingdom.
 
Sorry if any of this is confusing. But if you have questions or comments feel free to add them. Just please dont insult me without merit
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: MasterAssassin82 on April 13, 2012, 10:28:08 pm
And how do you choose your prophet?
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Warmonger_2 on April 13, 2012, 10:31:16 pm
Our line of prophets was started with Joseph Smith who recieved the office from  Arceus  when the gospel was restored on the Earth. From there it has been passed down to the most senior member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: MasterAssassin82 on April 13, 2012, 10:39:35 pm
ah
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Paradox on April 14, 2012, 07:45:08 pm
No, it modern Judiaism, we look towards being a more cultural group than a "religion". Culture and being a good person and following the rules is more important than what you believe in. But, like you said, the Torah is not perfect and there are horrible things. I like that, it makes it realistic. There is rape, there is hatred, there is murder. And by putting that in the Torah, it gives it reality. Like Martin Luther said there is no need to make religion so perfect and holy. Our world is imperfect. When I see a Church and it's decked out, I hate it. It distracts one from the teachings of  Arceus  and towards a materialistic world. I like my temple, it's relaitively small and the biggest thing is the case for the Torah.
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Warmonger_2 on April 15, 2012, 03:48:27 am
Ive always like our temples. Simple yet quite elegant
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: ArchieSalt on April 15, 2012, 07:09:13 am
I love hindu temples. They are so unique and interesting
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Tenebrae on April 26, 2012, 07:27:02 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSkiT1Ypjcs
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Warmonger_2 on April 26, 2012, 02:15:37 pm
No clue what that was... ???
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: ArchieSalt on April 26, 2012, 02:18:16 pm
Thanks for the input Tene
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Tenebrae on April 27, 2012, 03:03:26 am
Thanks for the input Tene


welcome
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Okieskinny on May 19, 2012, 01:06:47 pm
This topic has gone so out of hand, I'm making it a metaphor for why I avoid religion, crap gets too complicated, people argue like complete idiots over multiple religions, some arguing act like immature children, and people act like know-it-all's when arguing  :doh:
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Tenebrae on May 23, 2012, 07:20:45 am
Well said Okie :)
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Post by: Okieskinny on May 26, 2012, 12:21:12 pm
Thank you :D
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: MasterAssassin82 on May 27, 2012, 05:44:30 am
This topic has gone so out of hand, I'm making it a metaphor for why I avoid religion, crap gets too complicated, people argue like complete idiots over multiple religions, some arguing act like immature children, and people act like know-it-all's when arguing  :doh:

um... in what way is that a metaphor -_-
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: MasterAssassin82 on May 27, 2012, 05:45:30 am
met·a·phor/ˈmetəˌfôr/
Noun:
  • A figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable.
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: hobo4chompy on August 17, 2012, 11:20:46 am
They say if ur a christian that when u die u instantly wake up when the rapture is happening  :mad:
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Tenebrae on August 17, 2012, 11:32:11 am
They say if ur a christian that when u die u instantly wake up when the rapture is happening  :mad:
So essentially you'll be sleeping forever...
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Okieskinny on August 17, 2012, 03:27:01 pm
So, if you're a christian you don't die, you sleep until an apocalypse happens....
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Tenebrae on August 17, 2012, 05:04:35 pm
Does zombie apocalypse count?
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: hobo4chompy on August 17, 2012, 06:01:49 pm
yes and no tene. the rapture when  Arceus  judges everyone and sends them either to hell or heaven


i think i already know which one tenes going to  :rotf:
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Rigby on August 17, 2012, 09:40:25 pm
The rapture is the end of the world.....
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Mariofighter3 on August 18, 2012, 12:08:24 am
The rapture is the end of the world.....


He's talking religiously...

Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Tenebrae on August 18, 2012, 04:27:43 am
What happens to those that aren't on earth at the time? ie. astronauts
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: ~Ali~ on August 18, 2012, 04:28:25 am
This post is getting weirder, and weirder..
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Tenebrae on August 18, 2012, 04:39:29 am
This post is getting weirder, and weirder..
Much like all the other 'religions' popping up everywhere. FSM, scientology; really -_- At least FSM is funny...
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Anonymouslyanon on August 27, 2012, 02:56:59 am
yes and no tene. the rapture when  Arceus  judges everyone and sends them either to hell or heaven


i think i already know which one tenes going to  :rotf:


Rapture is when  Arceus 's followers go to heaven, and the people who don't follow  Arceus  stay on Earth. Judgement Day, the day where  Arceus  judges everyone is after that.


Also, some Christians believe that when you die, you go straight to heaven; other Christians believe that you "sleep" until Judgement Day.
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: hobo4chompy on August 27, 2012, 07:12:29 am
why is tene the only one here who just has to deny every comment  :mad:
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Tenebrae on August 27, 2012, 09:24:37 am
why is tene the only one here who just has to deny every comment  :mad:
I'm not the only one who denies every comment.
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: hobo4chompy on August 28, 2012, 04:51:48 am
well you deny everything i say and come up with something annoying to counter it
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Tenebrae on August 28, 2012, 05:03:03 am
well you deny everything i say and come up with something annoying to counter it
I do not deny everything you say
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: hobo4chompy on September 07, 2012, 01:53:29 am
i think this is what happened to tene when she was a child :spacecraft:
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: Tenebrae on September 07, 2012, 05:17:37 am
 :immafirinmahlazor:
Title: Re: Religon
Post by: LilacLily on September 07, 2012, 11:35:56 am
some Christians believe that when you die, you go straight to heaven.
im 1 of those ppl