Pokemon Server Archive
PvP Server => Problems => Topic started by: ArchieSalt on October 23, 2012, 04:36:32 pm
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I have been putting this off because I don't want to cause a load of controversy and discussion but I have to finally express my frustration with our current host. Hexacyanide is a great guy and above that, Im sure that 1ce is right when he says he is very experienced and intelligent with hosting servers and websites as a whole. However there comes a time where we as a community have to draw the line. I've spoken with a LOT players about the insane lag spikes which frequently occur when playing on the server. I for one suffer incredibly badly. For example, on sunday night I was unable to talk or interact with the world, anything I did do would take effect minutes after I had done the action.
Some people will say that they don't experience lag to an extent where they feel the need for a new server host.
Well i'm going to draw the line and say that i've had enough. I love this server to bits and it kills me to not be able to play properly on it.
I share the same thoughts as many others including Miosio, Doomfollower, Ali, TA, Emolga, Soras, Aaronpieters666 etc.
We need a new host quickly. I beg of somebody to bring this huge issue up during the admin meeting as it is urgent for people like us.
Feel free to express your own experiences with this.
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Thanks you =P
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I do agree with this as i do not play pokemon server a lot, but that is because of this MAJOR Lag problem!
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I agree, Most servers i never lag on at all, and i never used to lag on this server, but i can barely say on for a few minutes now.
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Me no lag
Edit: Nvm me lie
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http://www.pokemonserver.net/forum/index.php?topic=2425.0 (http://www.pokemonserver.net/forum/index.php?topic=2425.0) I think this was from lag.
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Refer a new host.
When we keep lagging with them too, I'm going to bump this topic until your eyes bleed.
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There's Beastnode, and then you know you can look for yourself.
Oh wait.
I'm the only one who did that, wasn't I?
So get off your lazy butt and try and fix the server.
(Yes, I still hate Hexacyanide with a passion and want him to burn in a fire)
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BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Fix the server? You want to know my solution for this lag? You REALLY want to know what I've been considering? Waiting until 1.4 comes out and pretending mcmmo breaks and removing it completely.
News flash, MCMMO IS WHATS CAUSING THIS LAG FUCKERS, WHICH IS WHY OUR HOST IS NOT THE SOLUTION OR THE PROBLEM
Evidence? I happen to have my own private server with hex, and guess what? I dont get lag because I hate mcmmo.
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BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Fix the server? You want to know my solution for this lag? You REALLY want to know what I've been considering? Waiting until 1.4 comes out and pretending mcmmo breaks and removing it completely.
News flash, MCMMO IS WHATS CAUSING THIS LAG FUCKERS, WHICH IS WHY OUR HOST IS NOT THE SOLUTION OR THE PROBLEM
Evidence? I happen to have my own private server with hex, and guess what? I dont get lag because I hate mcmmo.
What the fuck is wrong with you? You couldn't have possibly put that in less dickish terms could you?
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What the fuck is wrong with you? You couldn't have possibly put that in less dickish terms could you?
And another thing! If mcmmo is the cause of this lag (I doubt it), its obviously your version or configuration as no other servers using mcmmo (including AC server) encounter these problems, Also if you are going to blame the huge amount of stats as a reason, why do I get the same horrible lag when playing on the spare pokemon server which doesn't have any stats at all?
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I personally don't like McMMO either. 1ce can code a better thing with ModDamage... probobly
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Or... we could always reconsider... Heroes...
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What the fuck is wrong with you? You couldn't have possibly put that in less dickish terms could you?
There's Beastnode, and then you know you can look for yourself.
Oh wait.
I'm the only one who did that, wasn't I?
So get off your lazy butt and try and fix the server.
(Yes, I still hate Hexacyanide with a passion and want him to burn in a fire)
That^ is what's wrong with me.I have been putting this off because I don't want to cause a load of controversy and discussion but I have to finally express my frustration with our current host. Hexacyanide is a great guy and above that, Im sure that 1ce is right when he says he is very experienced and intelligent with hosting servers and websites as a whole. However there comes a time where we as a community have to draw the line. I've spoken with a LOT players about the insane lag spikes which frequently occur when playing on the server. I for one suffer incredibly badly. For example, on sunday night I was unable to talk or interact with the world, anything I did do would take effect minutes after I had done the action.
Some people will say that they don't experience lag to an extent where they feel the need for a new server host.
Well i'm going to draw the line and say that i've had enough. I love this server to bits and it kills me to not be able to play properly on it.
I share the same thoughts as many others including Miosio, Doomfollower, Ali, TA, Emolga, Soras, Aaronpieters666 etc.
We need a new host quickly. I beg of somebody to bring this huge issue up during the admin meeting as it is urgent for people like us.
Feel free to express your own experiences with this.
That too.
Think about this cycle.
BroHoster. We lag, we get a new host.
GSVerse. We lag, we get a new host.
QuadFiber. We left before they died. Why? Cuz we lagged, so we got a new host.
FragCorner. Why did we leave? We lagged. So we got a new host. (Edit, ok, we left because I was afraid they were going to crash and burn, my mistake.(oh and I was right (what a concept?) ) )
WHAT IF THE HOSTS ARENT THE PROBLEM? THINK ABOUT IT.
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I'm the only one who did that, wasn't I?
Uh, WHO's IDEA WAS IT TO GO TO HEX YOU wannabe SMARTFUCK
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and for all you people who think mcmmo is the shit?
2012-10-07 13:08:35 [INFO] CONSOLE: Disabled level saving..[m
2012-10-07 13:08:51 [WARNING] [Server] The main thread failed to respond after 10 seconds
2012-10-07 13:08:51 [WARNING] [Server] Probable Plugin cause: 'mcMMO'
2012-10-07 13:08:51 [WARNING] [Server] What follows is the stack trace of the main thread
2012-10-07 13:08:51 [WARNING] [Server] at java.io.FileOutputStream.open(Native Method)
2012-10-07 13:08:51 [WARNING] [Server] at java.io.FileOutputStream.<init>(FileOutputStream.java:212)
2012-10-07 13:08:51 [WARNING] [Server] at java.io.FileOutputStream.<init>(FileOutputStream.java:165)
2012-10-07 13:08:51 [WARNING] [Server] at java.io.FileWriter.<init>(FileWriter.java:90)
2012-10-07 13:08:51 [WARNING] [Server] at org.bukkit.configuration.file.FileConfiguration.save(FileConfiguration.java:56)
2012-10-07 13:08:51 [WARNING] [Server] at com.gmail.nossr50.party.PartyManager.saveParties(PartyManager.java:424)
2012-10-07 13:08:51 [WARNING] [Server] at com.gmail.nossr50.runnables.SaveTimer.run(SaveTimer.java:28)
2012-10-07 13:08:51 [WARNING] [Server] at org.bukkit.craftbukkit.scheduler.CraftTask.run(CraftTask.java:52)
2012-10-07 13:08:54 [INFO] <[32;22m[Trainer][37;1mkingdomruler01[0;39m> thnx[m
Go tell them to fix their shit. Once they come back from their 2 month long break of not developing anything.
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I've posted a tickrate log at http://pastebin.com/Rw37Ukve.
20 ticks per second indicates that the server is running at full speed. Anything under will cause annoyances, such as smelting a stack of something and only getting 63 smelted.
Because the tickrate is recorded only every 5 minutes, it most likely doesn't account for the TPS dips that are caused by the Backup plugin. It has since been removed by 1cec0ld.
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Uh, WHO's IDEA WAS IT TO GO TO HEX YOU wannabe SMARTFUCK
You didn't "search" for that bullshit.
Don't even try and tell me you did, you've talked with Hexa throughout all our switches, and his hosting company switches.
I was the only one who ever took the time to look for hosters.
Also, I am a Smartfuck, thank you.
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You didn't "search" for that bullshit.
Don't even try and tell me you did, you've talked with Hexa throughout all our switches, and his hosting company switches.
I was the only one who ever took the time to look for hosters.
Also, I am a Smartfuck, thank you.
Apparently not because you DID have to 'search' while I was smart enough to find hosts in not-so-obvious places.
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He actually didn't talk to me for four months after Quadfiber, and following that there were 2 email exchanges that happened on June 6th. The next contact we had was at the beginning of August.
That's when I noticed that lag on the Pokemon Server, and the lag that there was back then on the previous host was much worse than the lag imposed by multiple people now.
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WHAT IF THE HOSTS ARENT THE PROBLEM? THINK ABOUT IT.
Right there! Right there! You really say you talk robotic and emotionless when this is honestly you ranting a bullshit topic that could have been handled better! Jesus Christ! You have more anger than I did in my Admin Application!
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Why doesn't everyone stop the fighting?...
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A wise man once told me this......... WHY CAN'T WE BE FRIENDS?!? :cry:
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A wise man once told me this......... WHY CAN'T WE BE FRIENDS?!? :cry:
Hanzo is also one of the wise men?
raveh, Hanzocraft; WHO IS THE THIRD!!!!
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...duh.
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Hanzo is also one of the wise men?
raveh, Hanzocraft; WHO IS THE THIRD!!!!
Liquidfired was also, if I remember correctly.
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Liquid was the wisest.
I didn't want this topic to come off as another rage at how I cant play, simply informing you of the problem we have and hopefully you may be able to find a solution, I dont want anybody to beat eachother to death about this.
I can bear with this lag for a while but I still think we may need to look for a new one
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STOP FIGHTING!!!
1ce, you need to take a chill pill, and talk calmly, instead of SCREAMING YOUR HEAD OFF! We get it, you think McMMO is the problem, not the hosts. And although I agree, it isnt the best plugin, it doesnt mean you have to
:rant: , rant, Rant, RANT, RANT, RANT!
Also, ali, okie, i agree: Why cant we all be friends?!?!?! :cry:
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STOP FIGHTING!!!
1ce, you need to take a chill pill, and talk calmly, instead of SCREAMING YOUR HEAD OFF! We get it, you think McMMO is the problem, not the hosts. And although I agree, it isnt the best plugin, it doesnt mean you have to
:rant: , rant, Rant, RANT, RANT, RANT!
Also, ali, okie, i agree: Why cant we all be friends?!?!?! :cry:
Its not that 1ce thinks that mcMMO is the problem, its that it is the problem.
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NOT THE POINT.
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I wouldn't mind having mcmmo removed if that would increase the server playability.
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I actually agree, but because it'll mean Gymleaders wont be overly powerful.
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I do like mcmmo. It's not the best, but it brings crucial things to the pvp experiance. We would all have to fight with swords. Also lilac, gym leaders are powerful because they train and have determination. People without determination shouldn't be able to walk on and dominate the veterans. If mcmmo is removed, we will need a very suitable replacEment.
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Or... we could always reconsider...Heroes...
I've always liked the hero plugin, why not give it a shot?
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I do like mcmmo. It's not the best, but it brings crucial things to the pvp experiance. We would all have to fight with swords. Also lilac, gym leaders are powerful because they train and have determination. People without determination shouldn't be able to walk on and dominate the veterans. If mcmmo is removed, we will need a very suitable replacEment.
I agree with almost everything you say. *adds to wise person list*
Hopefully something happens for 1.4. Otherwise its 99% certain mcMMO will be gone...
I'd help with a ModDamage version, but my MD coding skill isn't good enough yet... All I'd be able to do is damage modifications and messages, and perhaps a few other cool effects... xD
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Mcmmo would be a huge loss if it is removed but if it has to be done then we cant do anything else.
At least PvP will be more balanced if it is removed - you may have to think of compensation for people training their ass off.
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I hate McMMo. It's wayy too op. Honestly, the only thing I would miss if it was removed would be Acrobatics. In fact, getting rid of it would stop stat grinders, the problem with auto-fishing, give an even field of play for all players, old and new, etc.
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I hate McMMo. It's wayy too op. Honestly, the only thing I would miss if it was removed would be Acrobatics. In fact, getting rid of it would stop stat grinders, the problem with auto-fishing, give an even field of play for all players, old and new, etc.
mcMMO is what gives [Trainers] something to train, similar to training a pokemon's stats in game. Sure, not every stat matches a skill's effect, but its easy to use.
I do like mcmmo. It's not the best, but it brings crucial things to the pvp experiance. We would all have to fight with swords. Also lilac, gym leaders are powerful because they train and have determination. People without determination shouldn't be able to walk on and dominate the veterans. If mcmmo is removed, we will need a very suitable replacEment.
This is true, you wouldn't want to have put effort into the server, only to get beaten by someone who had just joined that same day.
mcMMO has become an integral part of the server. Both for the similarity to training, and to separate those with determination from the 'conveniant' critical hit in battle.
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Alright, if mcMMO seems to be the problem, lets try out a whole 24 hours without mcMMO, but have it saved and copied to another area on hex's computer. If the lag seems to lessen, then lets either look for a new plugin, have 1ce make a new skills plugin, or just leave the lag.
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If you make an McMMO clone with ModDamage, you're just going to cause more lag. McMMO references the Bukkit API directly, where ModDamage code is first routed through the plugin.
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Would it be possible to make an McMMO clone without ModDamage, and have it not lag the server?
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It's quite possible. You could pretty much just take the McMMO source and tweak it to be more efficient.
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tweak it to be more efficient.
Ur funny.
My idea is to use MD to rewrite the parts of mcmmo that are based on the less laggy bukkit events. I assume most of our problems come from block break and the mcmmo_data records. My goal is to work off of that and ignore most of those aspects, while still capturing a method of leveling up and getting stronger over time.
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Then why not work off the McMMO source? You're not going to have fun converting McMMO statistics data files. Why not just "cut" up McMMO?
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Then why not work off the McMMO source?
Because I don't know bukkit that well, nor do i know java at all, and our only decent bukkit developer has recently retired.
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I can has halps.
(The GitHub even has compilation library details, ect)
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I can has halps.
(The GitHub even has compilation library details, ect)
Updating mcMMO or MDmcMMO?
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I don't support MDMcMMO because it would be incredibly inefficient and more complex than using the McMMO source.
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I don't support MDMcMMO because it would be incredibly inefficient and more complex than using the McMMO source.
Sp, you're gonna have an attempt at updating it?
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If I were to take on this project, I would not be updating it, I'd be stripping it down.
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If I were to take on this project, I would not be updating it, I'd be stripping it down.
As in, removing some features?
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I FIXED MY LAG :purplebanana: :purplebanana: :purplebanana:
All I did was update java, so now I have 64bit java instead of 32bit java. Really made a difference.