Shit just got real.
1ce you told me extortion was fine.Gym leaders can't do it so what makes you special?
Stnglkabee and Backpackcat have both been demoted from their Champion and Elite ranks, respectively.
For exploiting the server mechanics (charging for elite battles, witness of holding out on a challenge for no reason other than to troll a moderator of all people, coordinating these efforts together, overcharging for a bs service due to personal bias and a feeling of superiority) we have called Rule 8 from [url]http://www.pokemonserver.net/rules.php[/url] ([url]http://www.pokemonserver.net/rules.php[/url]) and voted as a group to demote the two of them from their Champion and Elite ranks.
They are both on their last warnings. Any farther issues will result in permanent (IP) ban.
Backpack would still come online, he just ensured that I wasn't online when he did. And its clear as fuck that Stng was telling him to avoid me.Admins would've decided on a deadline and Backpack would've been demoted I don't see why Stng is concerned with all of this.
Admins would've decided on a deadline and Backpack would've been demoted I don't see why Stng is concerned with all of this.stng was in control of everything tell backpack when and when not to log in collecting payments setting prices, and with stng being a player who's been testing his limits of what he can get away with for as long as he has been on the server he doesn't get leniency. Has he been banned? No, just stripped of rank so I don't see why you are so upset about punishment given to him given his circumstances
stng was in control of everything tell backpack when and when not to log in collecting payments setting prices, and with stng being a player who's been testing his limits of what he can get away with for as long as he has been on the server he doesn't get leniency. Has he been banned? No, just stripped of rank so I don't see why you are so upset about punishment given to him given his circumstances
stng was in control of everything tell backpack when and when not to log in collecting payments setting prices, and with stng being a player who's been testing his limits of what he can get away with for as long as he has been on the server he doesn't get leniency. Has he been banned? No, just stripped of rank so I don't see why you are so upset about punishment given to him given his circumstancesDid he actually break any rule with this tho? I don't think so. So why did he get punished?
1. This isn't a democracy, its a Republic. Led by a small group of people who make decisions as equals.
2. It wasn't abuse, we all agreed on it after logically coming to that conclusion based on given information.
3. Stng was called to be judged due to his 'extortion' but the judgement was passed due to the sum of all his acts, whether they broke rules or not. They were without doubt a negative influence on this server, and I personally think he's lucky he's not banned. The champion shouldn't be the record holder for asshole.
He wasn't punished for that at all. Now maybe this didn't break any rules but it wasnt a good move and it doesn't require a breaking of a rule to trigger a vote of the Admins on someone's previous offenses and decide what must done, which in this case, is what the Admins did.First of all Stng has been punished for most of his actions. Tempbans, not being able to use lava buckets, not being able to go to Pewter and some mutes.
1. That picture about fuck democracy was more a satire about this servers being a dictature suppressing chosen members. You'll probably want examples for this so let me hook you up. A few months ago, gym leaders charged moneys for letting people nerf their impossible courses. You guys had an admin meeting about this and prohibited gym leaders from making money with their gym. Gym Leaders 'exploit[ed] the server mechanics' and nothing happens to them. Stng and Backpack 'exploit server mechanics'. They get their title removed. 'All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.' - Article 1 of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Yet Stng gets punished differently than other people did, simply because he's Stng. Know what this reminds me of? Yeah, a dictature.
2. I'm still 99.9999% sure that Stng and Backpack did not break a single rule charging money for Elite Fights.
3. So champions have to pass 'I'm totally not an asshole tests' nowadays?
1 Stng is punished by his record. The reason he was judged was because of his charging.If stng was punished by his record, why was Backpack punished again?
2 HE DID NOT BREAK A RULE BY CHARGING MONEY FFS HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS
3 Everyone does. Welcome to Naruto, Agent, ImJustBauss, and Rewas. All banned for what? Oh. Being assholes, and making the server look bad.
Alex, let me try to logically lead you through this.Thank you for actually giving me a clear answer to my questions and not just label me as a Stng fanboy because I thought he was unfairly punished.
Before you try to be self-righteous by saying that the admin team should be looking out for the interests of the people, you're wrong. I am not looking for what is fair for each individual, I am looking for what is best for the server. If I wanted to please the masses, I'd give them all OP. But by doing that, I'm neglecting the good of the server. Our interests are with making the overall best game play experience, not pleasing each individual. Good game play promotes people being happy. Being happy does not necessarily make good game play.
Now, let me examine your concerns. You say this rule is "Overpowered" and seems unfair. And it could be. If we ever used it. How often have we used that rule. Let me tell you, almost never. That's because we only use it as a safe-net. The admin team is not a power-hungry grouo of people. If we wanted to screw you all over, we'd close the server and split the paypal money between us and call it a day. You TRUST us with your donations and you TRUST us with the power of OP to make the server a good experience. That is why rule 8 exists. The populus trusts us enough to not look our for our own personal interests but rather the interests of the server. Rule 8 exists so if someone is making bad-game play but is not breaking a rule, we can properly exercise some sort of punishment.
Stng and Backpack were promoting back game play Stng and backpack worked together to scam people. Backpack would log on for a minute or two to keep his title without timing out but not staying on long enough to be challenged. He worked with Stng to make it so Stng would scam people of money to "summon" Backpack so they could accumulate innocent people's money. This is not how the game-play should be. That is why it's bad-game play. If they did not know that scamming people is bad, then that is their malfunction, not ours. That is why we are using Rule 8. Are they breaking a rule? No. Are they promoting bad game play? Yes.
You also brought up the old-gymleader thing. I agree, that could of been more properly addressed. But at that time our team was smaller and it was harder to regulate over 16 gym leaders and make a full-blown investigation. People were punished, but it's possible some may not of been. We can't ever be 100% of anything but we can try our hardest. But just because we could not properly investigate previous issues does not mean we should allow obvious abuse of mechanics to fly by. What stng and backpack did was not okay.
I hope I addressed all of your questions and concerns.
Thank you for actually giving me a clear answer to my questions and not just label me as a Stng fanboy because I thought he was unfairly punished.
Thank you for actually giving me a clear answer to my questions and not just label me as a Stng fanboy because I thought he was unfairly punished.thats cute
Stng and Backpack were promoting back game play Stng and backpack worked together to scam people. Backpack would log on for a minute or two to keep his title without timing out but not staying on long enough to be challenged. He worked with Stng to make it so Stng would scam people of money to "summon" Backpack so they could accumulate innocent people's money. This is not how the game-play should be. That is why it's bad-game play. If they did not know that scamming people is bad, then that is their malfunction, not ours. That is why we are using Rule 8. Are they breaking a rule? No. Are they promoting bad game play? Yes.
2 HE DID NOT BREAK A RULE BY CHARGING MONEY FFS HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS
thats cute
I'm not sure when you became someone who deserved all these answers for something that
Everyone is entitled to knowing the reasons for admin actions.
this is where you and I differ, I feel something that affects 1 or 2 players only needs to be explained to those people who are affected by it, a server wide affect I agree everyone has the right to know, but I'm a believer in people minding their own damn business
No problem, everyone is entitled to knowing the reasons for admin actions. I'm not here to judge you; we all have opinions. I'll happily discuss anything with you and if you present a good enough argument, I would have no problem reversing the actions we did. But I stand strong on my opinion as of now.
It wasnt a scam if you take your car in to get repaired and you dont pay, you dont get your car back. I had a legit service i was offering.
Also bpc has no issues before this so why is he punished the same as me with no previous problems?
1. That picture about fuck democracy was more a satire about this servers being a dictature suppressing chosen members.
Holy Heaven, let the drama begin.
Why was jotr banned >:I
One more thing, what proves anything about when i told bpc when to get on what says i even did?
I had a legit service i was offering.
Not only can multiple people attest to this but you admitted to it. Stop wasting my time.
^^^
There's a lot of bias on this thread.
I'm not trying to be biased here. I'm just stating the facts. The reason why he wasn't punished for harassing Archie was because most of the administration thought he could "change." Giving him that one shot obviously didn't help for he got himself into trouble yet again. And once again they are letting him walk away, almost punish free. He can get champion back if he really wanted to, and Backpack could get elite again too. There's really no punishment towards either of them because the two of them could as easily get their spots back as they did before. So in all honesty, what the administration tried to do means nothing in the long run if the two of them can (and just a hunch, but they probably will) undo the effects of the punishment given to them.
rather than make assumptions
It's not an assumption when both an admin and moderator (names disclosed) confirmed that it happened behind the scenes.
And also: do Stng and Backpack have the ability to earn their spots back?
It is an assumption because news flash: I'm telling you this is their last chance. I'm the one who suggested their demotion, I'm the own who suggested they get banned next time they fuck up. There is no "behind-the-scenes". We talked about this in the public admin meeting. Everyone heard it. No secrets. This is their last chance.
I don't see why not. If they do something like this again, they're banned. So what's the problem with allowing them back. If they go back, they'll be on top behavior or else.
The reason why he wasn't punished for harassing Archie was because most of the administration thought he could "change."